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I got an Indigo, WC, 6 ft, I got it yeasterday morning, looking good, but in evening i noted like saliva coming out fron its tongue....

is this normal or is a disase???

im thinking its a respiratory infection and im thinkinw warm its cage to 80-85°F day and night on the warm side of cage...

help me please.

Better call your local Game Warden because a wildcaught Indigo is Illegal unless you have the paperwork from them. Sometimes ther will drule water if they just had a drink. aI they have their mouth open all the time ind drule you will need a good vetranerian.
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Are you sure its an Indigo? You need to be certain about this.

If you are indeed in possion of a WC Indigo, you are breaking the law. The Eastern Indigo is a Federally protected Endangered Species. They are also protected by all the States where they naturally occur. Just picking one up in Florida and Georgia can get you time at the GrayBar Hotel, and a hefty fine to boot. Texas Indigos are protected by the State of Texas and don't occur wild in any other state. Again hefty fines and incarceration apply.

This is serious stuff and I am not kidding.

A Word To The Wise: If you are unaware, everyone on this forum is dead serious about protecting all Indigo Snakes.

John DeMelas

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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat "Roberta" RELEASED!!!

The gentleman posting this is not speaking of either Texas or Eastern Indigos. He is in Mexico and is using the term "indigo" in stead of saying cribo.

I sent him here to get some varied advice as to what to do with his critter. I have no experience with w/c cribos, so I thought we'd tap into the wealth here.

There aren't really herp vets down there, so advising him to take it to a vet is fine... we just need to tell him what his vet needs to know.

So step up guys.

Doug T

Thanks for clearing that up Doug.

I reacted to the phrase "WC Indigo" with what restraint I could muster. Prolly should have asked for more specific info before getting all righteous. My apologies if I've hurt anyone's feelings.

Sighthunter's advice is sound. Sick snakes need to go to a Herp Vet. Drooling can be a sign of a respiratory infection, especially if there is also wheezing, sneezing, gasping, mouth held partly open constantly, and blowing bubbles. It is important to get a Vet's help, because they can diagnose infections and prescribe appropriate meds.

In the mean time, make sure to keep your Cribo as warm as possible without causing distress. I'm not sure what the optimum temperature is, so that's something you need to find out. Make sure plenty of water is available. Be sure to ISOLATE the snake from any other long term captives. Be sure caging is calen and sanitary. The Vet can help with all these things.

Good Luck,

John DeMelas
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat "Roberta" RELEASED!!!

Muchas gracias por aclarar amigo....

espero tener "no problemo" con mi Tilcoatl.....

(til= black, coatl= snake, in ancent Nauatl languaje)

saludos.

Thanks for your quick answer.

let me explain some points:

I dont live in USA, I live in Mexico where is ilegal collect, sell or keep herps (wc or cb, native or exotic) with out permission, indeed im breaking the law, beacuse i have permission to keep a sulcata turtle (exotic pet with permission)and a ringneck snake (a specie native out of protected species list)

i try to educate people around me, in Mexico, all encounters wit a reptile ends with a dead reptile,

so a lot of people knows about my interest in reptiles, a friend of mine gave me this snake yesterday morning, was found in a rural area eating rats, the people of the area would kill the snake.

im trying to find a friend who is chief of a herp lab in a university and try to find out what to do with the snake in legal termns, may be i can keep it, maybe he will keep it or maybe we will release it, who knows...

but i noted the "saliva" issue and i want to help the snake until i can find my friend (maybe today night).

please see this action as a rescue, not as a criminal act.

i will be waiting for your comments.

saboteur.

Can you sen us some pictures of Mexican Indigo?
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

here are two..

no more signs of "saliva"...before yesterday ate a medium size mice.

we are making a register to keep it as a "educational snake".

Looks like a D. m. rubidus...anyone?

I second that. Definitely a D. m. rubidus
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Roy Blodgett
Green Man Herpetoculture
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
1.1 Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus
0.0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.2 Varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Mt.Isa)
2.2 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

i found registers of this scientific name in records of the areas where was caught the snake.

but you know more....

I suppose it could be an erebennus, but by the look of the snake, especially the whitish throat, I would say rubidus. Many of the keepers here would know more than me. I haven't seen Jeff Snodgres post in a while but I know he keeps rubidus so he may know more. Either way, it is an awesome snake and I wish you the best of luck with it.
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Roy Blodgett
Green Man Herpetoculture
royreptile@yahoo.com

1.1 Drymarchon corais
1.1 Masticophis taeniatus taeniatus
0.0.1 Coluber mormon
1.1 Lampropeltis getula californiae (desert phase)
1.0 Boiga dendrophila dendrophila
1.1 Corytophanes cristatus
1.2 Varanus acanthurus brachyurus (Mt.Isa)
2.2 Pogona vitticeps (snow and red/gold)
1.0 Iguana iguana

“All men lie enveloped in whale-lines. All are born with halters round their necks; but it is only when caught in the swift, sudden turn of death, that mortals realize the silent, subtle, ever-present perils of life.”- Herman Melville

I have received several opinions telling me that is a D. m. rubidus for several experts.

Drymarchon corais erebenus, was something to found in a literature refering a "tilcoatl"

i will serch more info about this snake by now is fine, ate on sunday two small mice and now its blue waiting to shed.

thanks for your comments.

saboteur.

errebennus is a snake found east of the Sierre Madre de Oriental.

Any cribo/indigo on the pacific coast/side of Mexico is rubidus, from Mazatlan down to coastal Chiapas.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

You have a good heart. I would be careful not to let this snake get too warm as high temperatures are fatal to indigos and cribos. 75 - 80 degrees F. is good.

What part of Mexico is it from?
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

Jalisco,

Autlan Jalisco, 3 hours from Guadalajara.

Do you collect any of the montaine rattlesnake species out there?
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"Life without risk is to merely exist."

I dont have experience with hot snakes, so i respect them a lot and only watch them from a large distance.