Just in case not all of you look at old threads, I'm posting this about my hoped-for research on boxies as a new thread.

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Actually, I might be able to use captives, as long as the captives descend from what were once natives to the area. I suppose it would be hard to verify that.

One study with Terrapne ornata ornata just said of the source - the study was done in Kansas, but of the source they just said that they "were provided by Robert K. Beatson". That says nothing of whether those ornates were descendants of turtles that once lived in that area as wild animals. Another study used wild ornates caught near Madison, WI. And the other study, in Oklahoma, used T. c. triunguis and T. o. ornata turtles from the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation that had been confiscated from individuals that were going to use them in the illegal pet trade.

But that last study I mention.... I worded the scientific names differently than the actual research article did. They just said "Terrapene carolina" and "Terrapene ornata", not mentioning what subspecies they were. But, knowing the range of turtles, I added the other words so that the subspecies was named in the sci name.

HERE'S MY BIG QUESTION:

Do different subspecies of T. carolina have differnet thermal behaviors, from what you folks have seen? I think I remember reading in this forum that Florida boxies - and maybe Gulf Coast boxies - leave the leaf pile from hibernation before easterns and maybe three-toeds. Is my memory correct?

So.... who knows?