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I checked these yesterday and they started to pip. This a Fem Peach Phase Alb from Ric Blair, paired up to an Albino Tang Male from terry Dunham. So far I can see one really nice Tangerine one.

Enjoy
Tom

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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

They look great!

Good luck,

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC

>>They look great!
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>>Good luck,
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>>Joe Exposito
>>Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

First one to come out!!!! I love this time of the season!!

Enjoy
Tom
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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

wicked nice! tricolor albinos correct?

rw

Very nice Tom! How many days of incubation before they started to pip?
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Balls, Milks & Coxi!

I had posted earlier in the year that I was going to do something different.

1. I just kept the snakes in my snake room, did not move to the crawl space in the basement, where the temps get to about 50F. The snake room the coolest it got was 65F.

2. I just covered the racks with plastic black film.

3. I was just going to use the normal temps of the room to incubate the eggs but the room was somewhat to cool. So I placed them in the incubator. I placed the incubator in the coolest room of the house and maintained the temps at about 79F-84F. The temps would go up or down as the temps outside fluctuated.

4. This clutch was laid 4/23/07 and today 7/11/07 they hatched 79 days. They piped last night and already 4 of the 7 have come out of the eggs. As far as I can see I got 2 nice Tangerines and the rest are somewhat peach. But they sure are all Tangerine they look like they are lit up. I have several more clutches that are due any day. These came out huge they are about 15-17 inches long.

Sorry for the long post just wanted to share what I did this year.

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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

Thanks Tom very interesting info...

Why did they take so long to hatch? I am incubating my hondo eggs at a constant 82F. I thought they should only take about 60 days to hatch?

As for your brumation, that is also interesting. Did you get any slugs this year? How long did you leave the black film on them to keep them in the dark for?

I brumated at roughly 56F from Nov1 to Feb 14 and I bred 3 females and got 30 fertile eggs from them: 6, 12 & 12 egg clutches.

Don't apoligize for the long posts I really do appreciate reading what other folks are doing for brumation and incubation
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Balls, Milks & Coxi!

>>Thanks Tom very interesting info...
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>>Why did they take so long to hatch? I am incubating my hondo eggs at a constant 82F. I thought they should only take about 60 days to hatch?

RESPONSE:
My temps were not constant at all. I tried to use the snake room temps and they varied to much in the lows. So I placed the containers in my incubator. It's in a room in my house that gets very cool when the AC is on . So the temps were in the mid 70's and when I raised the Helix to compensate for that then I would be able to get the temps to about 80F. Since I did not have constant temps the days for them to hatch get longer. And I will tell you compared to how they hatched last year this years babies are way bigger.

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>>As for your brumation, that is also interesting. Did you get any slugs this year? How long did you leave the black film on them to keep them in the dark for?

RESPONSE:
Yes I did this particular female laid 8 good size eggs, 1 being bad. So I got 7 huge babies. I started brumating in October and finished in January, about 93 day in all. Yes the black plastic film was for total darkness. I would only open the front part to change the water every 2 weeks. I used a very small light bulb in the room when I did this. I had 11 females that were of breeding size, 1 reabsorbed her eggs, 2nd time she does this. I changed her cage setup and will try again next year. 1 did not breed at all. 9 of the females laid good clutches raging from 8 eggs to 10 eggs. I have posted pictures of them, some were huge eggs. I have the 2nd clutch of 10 eggs due any day.
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>>I brumated at roughly 56F from Nov1 to Feb 14 and I bred 3 females and got 30 fertile eggs from them: 6, 12 & 12 egg clutches.

RESPONSE:
The last 2 years since moving to Colorado from Puerto Rico, I placed them in the crawl space of my basement and the temps got to the 50F. That kind of worried me and I just did not want to lose any. Sometimes last winter it got to 48F . I figured since I did not have cold weather in Puerto Rico, why not try waht I did there. The coolest it got at night during the winter months was 68F.

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>>Don't apoligize for the long posts I really do appreciate reading what other folks are doing for brumation and incubation

RESPONSE:
Thank you for the compliment, I just feel why not share what has worked for me!! I don't know if it will work next year, but I had no problems in Puerto Rico and I went thru 5 breeding cycles, while I lived there.

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>>Balls, Milks & Coxi!
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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

Ahhh I figured the 79 day incubation had something to do with temp flucuations. Interesting observeration that all of your hatchlings are larger this year with that sort of incubation.

I too think that 50F is a little too cold... it never gets that cold in their native locale does it???

Do you think that lower temp incubation produces larger, healthier hatchlings? Was this your first year incubating like that?

Sorry for all the questions, this is my first year breeding hondurans and I am always very interested in everyone elses techniques and procedures!
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Balls, Milks & Coxi!

>>Ahhh I figured the 79 day incubation had something to do with temp flucuations. Interesting observeration that all of your hatchlings are larger this year with that sort of incubation.
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>>I too think that 50F is a little too cold... it never gets that cold in their native locale does it???

RESPONSE:
No it does not from what I have read. Now they are from the higher elevation of Honduras and I think it does get colder than down on sea level. But I think 50F or lower is to risky.

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>>Do you think that lower temp incubation produces larger, healthier hatchlings? Was this your first year incubating like that?

RESPONSE:

This is my observation!!!! When I incubated eggs in Puerto Rico I did not use any incubators. I just placed the egg cont. under my bed on the floor, the floors in the houses in Puerto Rico are mostly made of Marble Square tiles. So in the evening they would get verry cool. As I recall the eggs also took longer and the babies hatched out bigger. I do know the higher the temps the quicker they hatch, but they are not very big and do not eat real well. I have read post here also of other breeders that incubated at a lower temp and get bigger babies! Please fellow herpers correct me if I am wrong!!!!
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>>Sorry for all the questions, this is my first year breeding hondurans and I am always very interested in everyone elses techniques and procedures!

RESPONSE: I also still have many questions and I always like to read what others are doing. So I really believe you can not ask to many questions. Glad to be able to share my experiences with others.

Tom

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>>Balls, Milks & Coxi!

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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1

Great posts and discussion. I find it fascinating that lower incubation temps result in bigger babies. But man, you gotta wait an awful long time!

I incubate my eggs at 80-81 degrees in a homemae incubator made out of a small refrigerator on a Big apple Herp thermostat and some heat tape and usually get hatches between 65 and 70 days.

Rob

Thank You!!

All 7 babies have come out and they are huge, way bigger than any of my previous year hatchlings. I am not saying this is the norm, just what happend. I have another clutch of Het Alb Tang pair, she laid 10 eggs with one being bad. I cut one yesterday and I can see that it's Albino. When they come out I will see if I get the same results as the first clutch. All the cluthes I have the eggs are huge!!! I don't mind waiting.

Good Luck
Tom

>>Great posts and discussion. I find it fascinating that lower incubation temps result in bigger babies. But man, you gotta wait an awful long time!
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>>I incubate my eggs at 80-81 degrees in a homemae incubator made out of a small refrigerator on a Big apple Herp thermostat and some heat tape and usually get hatches between 65 and 70 days.
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>>Rob
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Thomas Sierra
1.1 Irian Jaya
1.1 Irian Jaya Het Granite
0.1 Irian Jaya Jaguar
1.1 Albino Ball Pythons
2.2 Ball Pythons Het For Albino
1.1 Ball Pythons Het Pied
1.0 Pastel Ball Python
0.2 Normal Female Ball Python
0.1 Pied Ball Python
Alb Honduran 1.3
Hypo Honduran 3.4
Anery Hondo 1.2
Tangerine Alb Hondo 2.4
DH Snow Hondo 2.0
Het Tang Alb Hondo 3.3
Het Pin Stripe Hypo 0.1
Triple Het Hondos 1.1
Het Hypo 2.2
Snows 2.1
Ghost 1.1