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Update on Injured Turtle

snakize1978 Jul 12, 2007 09:43 AM

My previous post about this turtle was on July 2nd. She has been in the care of the vet since then. I picked up the turtle from the vet yesterday. I have a few questions on what to do with her now. Both of her eyes are still swollen shut and I don't think she has eaten on her own yet. What size enclosure should she be kept in until she starts to get better? I was not sure if smaller was better for now since she can't see. Would one of the larger sterilite tubs be ok until she is well enough to be moved to an outdoor habitat? We have an area in our back yard that was used for a garden previously but now it's empty. It would be perfect for her I think with a little modification, it's about 4' x 6' with an 10" tall border. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated. I will get updated pics of her up tonight! She looks so much better than she did when I found her.
Thanks.
Here's a pic of her from last week:

Replies (9)

PHRatz Jul 12, 2007 10:57 AM

>>My previous post about this turtle was on July 2nd. She has been in the care of the vet since then. I picked up the turtle from the vet yesterday. I have a few questions on what to do with her now. Both of her eyes are still swollen shut and I don't think she has eaten on her own yet.

You need to find out from the vet if they had fed her anything. She can't eat by herself with her eyes swollen shut because she can't see the food. I have one box who in 2005 was in this kind of shape, I couldn't get enough food into him with a syringe so the vet implanted a tube into him. The combination of food that worked best was Oxbow's Critical Care for herbivores mixed with unflavored Pedialyte. You can't buy Critical Care from Oxbow, only a vet can buy it from them. He had the tube for a little over a week I believe then he pulled it out himself and started eating on his own.
Those eyes being shut- soaking in a tepid bath sometimes helps with that. Sometimes they need antibiotic ointment made for use on eyes. My foster turtle named Cookie, the one I have right now that was dog chewed has an eye problem too, The vet sent her home with me with an ointment called Apexa, made for use on eyes only. She didn't come home with me until she was able to open her eyes on her own.. but at the moment she doesn't do that in the morning until she has her bath.

What size enclosure should she be kept in until she starts to get better?
When I have one like this I set up a "hospital cage" which is just a Rubbermaid box. I use about a 10 gallon storage box- something large enough to use a Dragon's Lair heat pad under one side of it so the turtle can move back & forth as it pleases to heat or cool itself. In a pinch I've used human heating pads.
I use a folded old towel as substrate, I can make tunnels with it for them, they like to hide under it.. I do that because their skin & shell needs to be kept very clean for the time being. I like old towels because they can be changed however many times a day they need to be. I make sure the turtle gets it's bath once or twice a day if needed to stay hydrated.

I wonder has your turtle been on antibiotics or is still on them? The eyes being shut is IMO your main problem right now because without good nutrition going in, she's going to have a hard time getting those eyes to open. Good nutrition goes a long way to help in keeping the eyes open.

Here's a photo of Chip when he had the tube implanted:

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PHRatz

snakize1978 Jul 12, 2007 03:05 PM

The last time I spoke to the vet he told me that she had not eaten but that she may not do so for a while due to the stress. They really didn't tell me anything else when I went to pick her up yesterday so I am a little bit in the dark here. I do know that he did give her antibiotics and some other medication for shock last week. I think all they did was give her meds and glue her face back together. I called daily to check on her and yesterday they said I could pick her up. When I got there one of the techs brought her out to me and really didn't have any info for me. I will set her up just as you described this evening in a tub with the towel and heat pad. When you say give her a bath, do I just put her in a small tub with water in the bottom? How long can a turtle go without eating anyway? What would you suggest I do as far as feeding if she doesn't eat on her own. Could I try the syringe method and see how it goes? If so, should I use a soft dog food or some kind of "slurry" of veggies mixed with a protein? I admit, injured turtle care is new to me but I want to give this girl the best care possible. Thank you for your reply.

LisaOKC Jul 13, 2007 01:11 AM

You can make a good force feed mixture with Gerber's baby food chicken and add pedialyte or gatorade, rep cal vitamins and calcium and sometimes I mix in some baby food carrots.

You might even start by soaking her in pedialyte first.

Glad she's hanging in there!

PHRatz Jul 13, 2007 10:23 AM

>>The last time I spoke to the vet he told me that she had not eaten but that she may not do so for a while due to the stress.
Getting food into her is going to help her a lot, it'll start to relieve some of the stress & help her heal. My Chip didn't get enough food & he started to jaundice after a week so that's why the vet tubed him.

>>They really didn't tell me anything else when I went to pick her up yesterday so I am a little bit in the dark here.
Call them & ask questions as much as you need to. I know sometimes people feel like they're bothering the vet but if the vet gives off the 'tude that you are bothering them, that's when I look for another vet.

>>I do know that he did give her antibiotics and some other medication for shock last week. I think all they did was give her meds and glue her face back together.

Ok that's good she was given antibiotics so most likely she doesn't need more. If she starts to smell bad then you'd need to call the vet

> When you say give her a bath, do I just put her in a small tub with water in the bottom?
Yes that's just what I mean, a shallow bath with tepid water- not too cool, not too warm. I leave them long enough to get hydrated. Usually they'll sit for a while then when they start moving around they're ready to come out of the bath. That's also when I try feeding them.

>>>How long can a turtle go without eating anyway?
Normally a healthy one in the wild can go for a while without eating but when they're hurt they really do need to start eating by the time they've been without food for 2 weeks or so.
Otherwise like my Chip they'll start to jaundice caused by lack of food which is not a good thing because it'll lead to other internal problems.

>> What would you suggest I do as far as feeding if she doesn't eat on her own. Could I try the syringe method and see how it goes? If so, should I use a soft dog food or some kind of "slurry" of veggies mixed with a protein? I admit, injured turtle care is new to me but I want to give this girl the best care possible. Thank you for your reply.

I read what Lisa posted about using baby food & Pedialyte, that'd work. You could use different slurries using Gerber's meats, veggies, and fruits. You could make turtle pellet foods into a slurry- like Mazuri or Jurassi turtle or tortoise pellets. Mix up a different combination each day & that way the turtle would get a variety and might find something that tastes so good she won't fight you on it.
I've had some fight like crazy never wanting to be syringe fed, I've had others who's eyes were closed get used to it & open up for me without a fight. Depends on the turtle.
Be sure to place the food in the front of the turtle's mouth then let the turtle swallow it on her own. Usually for me they'll do that so I don't have to shoot the food down their throats. Shooting food down their throats is dangerous because if it gets into their lungs then they're in worse trouble.
Chip fought all the time- the tube made it safe to feed him against his will. That food helped him so much, I really don't think he would've made it without being forced to eat because he was so weak.
This is wonderful of you to try so hard.
I wish you the best of luck in your efforts for this turtle!
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PHRatz

LIsaOKC Jul 13, 2007 03:04 PM

I have some younger turtles that actually get excited when they see a syringe because they've had some of that yummy baby food mix.

I've had a horrible problem with respiratory infections this spring, I think, because of the cool wet weather.

My vet gave me some baytril injection solution to give the ones who were really ill by mouth. And he gave me some baytril tabs to be dissolved in water and either put in a bowl for the others, who looked like they were trying to get it, to soak in or given by mouth with a syringe.

I chose the latter as I thought it would be more hygenic and I actually had an older juvi (that I moved in with adults because he kept escaping from his pool) come and "beg" when he saw the syringe.

PHRatz Jul 13, 2007 10:06 AM

>> When I have one like this I set up a "hospital cage" which is just a Rubbermaid box. I use about a 10 gallon storage box-

I'm sorry I was wrong on that size.. my box is 28 gallon, quite a diff.. (my food storage box is 10 gallon)
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PHRatz

snakize1978 Jul 13, 2007 12:05 PM

Last night I put her in the tub with water and she did get a nice long drink, so I was very glad to see her at least drinking on her own. She did not move around a whole lot I guess because she still can't see. The swelling has gone down in one of her eyes it and almost looks like she is trying to open it. I did place some fruit in with her last night but I don't think she ate any of it. I will try using the syringe method this evening. Once again, thank you so much for the help. I took some pics last night of her in the tub, I will get them posted here asap.

golfdiva Jul 13, 2007 12:30 PM

Cool that she is drinking! As was suggested, try soaking her in some Pedialyte (sp?). At least then she will get some much needed electrolytes. You can buy it at a drug or grocery store.
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PHRatz Jul 14, 2007 04:11 PM

Drinking on her own is a very good sign. Yeah Pedialyte instead of water isn't a bad idea!
If she could get one eye open on her own so she could see food, that'd be great.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!
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PHRatz

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