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Does anyone know the possilble outcomes when breeding a pastel crystal with a bumble bee. Just wondering. I saw a post in archives about producing 15 different morphs from this pair.
Just wondering what they produce.

Assuming that the "special" mutant allele that turns a Mojave into a crystal is not on the same gene or even chromosome as spider or pastel but that it is a different version of the same gene as Mojave (a big assumption without much data yet, but no bigger than assuming that it isn't):

ssppwWm 1 in 16 Mojave
sspPwWm 1 in 8 Pastel Mojave
ssPPwWm 1 in 16 Super Pastel Mojave
sSppwWm 1 in 16 Spider Mojave
sSpPwWm 1 in 8 Mojave Bee
sSPPwWm 1 in 16 Mojave Killer Bee
ssppwWs 1 in 16 Special
sspPwWs 1 in 8 Pastel Special
ssPPwWs 1 in 16 Super Pastel Special
sSppwWs 1 in 16 Spider Special
sSpPwWs 1 in 8 Special Bee
sSPPwWs 1 in 16 Special Killer Bee

So I only count 12 different types, should still be a colorful clutch.

You could also get a Normal, Pastel, Super Pastel, Spider, Bumblebee, and Killerbee which I think makes 18...
Not to mention in theory a Crystal, Pastel Crystal, Super Pastel Crystal, Crystal Spider, Crystal Bee, and Killer Crystal Bee...

The number of possible different types in the offspring of this cross depends on if mojave and "special" that produces the crystal are alleles (different mutations of the same gene) or mutations of different genes. If they are alleles, I stand by my 12 types. If they are on separate and not closely linked genes then I think your count of 24 would be right.

So hurry up and breed Crystal X a bunch of normal girls so we can see if they can produce any normals or crystal or only 50/50 mojave and special. An example of a combo of mutations of separate genes would be pewter which can produce normals and pewters along with cinnamon and pastel when crossed with a normal. An example of an allele combo would be the leucistics from mojave X lesser that only produced lessers and mojave when crossed with normal (no normals or leucistics).

If anyone who reads this happens to have a connection at Kingsnake please ask if there is any way to get html turned on for the genetics forum so we can post punnet squares as tables. Thanks.

I know years ago something like the following would work here (think I had to use square brackets but I don't think that even works anymore):

Wm P sWm p sWb P sWb p sw P SwWm PP sSwWm pP sSwWb PP sSwWb pP sSw P swWm PP sswWm pP sswWb PP sswWb pP ssw p SwWm pP sSwWm pp sSwWb pP sSwWb pp sSw p swWm pP sswWm pp sswWb pP sswWb pp ss

could be a mojave super pastel...(crystal pastel)