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How common is it to get these four colors, all in the same clutch...
Amel
Anery
Snow
Normal

In a different clutch (anery het amel x snow) that gave me snows this year, I only got anerys with them.
Last year, I got snows and amels (amel het anery x snow). I never even got 3 colors out of those pairings, let alone 4.

The clutch that I got 4 colors from was a normal(okeetee phase) het amel, anery to a ghost het amel.

Is it just the odds of it?
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

punnet square should give you the odds.
I don't think it is that uncommon with a double homo to double het (I think that's what you described)
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6.8 L. getula californiae - 11 eggs (Cal. King)
1.2 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - 14 eggs (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

Misty I did the same pairing last year with my male anery het amel to my snow and got 8 snows and 1 anery. Have 14 eggs waiting to hatch in maybe 10 days from the same pair so I will let you know my results soon....
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2.2 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena, Aphodite, Hades)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

If I understand the pairing right - here's the punnet square analysis:

http://homepage.mac.com/mpeters/foo.pdf
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6.8 L. getula californiae - 11 eggs (Cal. King)
1.2 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
3.3 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - 14 eggs (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

I got Normal, Amel, Butter, and Caramel, all Motleys, and one Motley Stripe in one clutch this year.

In another clutch I got Normal, Anery, Ghost, Hypo, and Snow Motleys, and Normal, Anery, Amel, and Snow Stripes all in the same clutch.

RC

must have been like christmas!
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

It absolutely was like Christmas, and still is. Breeding cobras is fun too, but you pretty much know exactly what your getting. These Corns are great. I just had some more normal Motleys, a Snow Motley, and Snow Stripe hatch out from a double clutch. Several still to go. One looks like it might be a striped Ghost from what I can see. It's still in the egg, but I can see it's body. All these are multi hets also. The sire is Striped het Amel, Anery, Hypo, poss. het Charcoal, and the dam is Anery Motley het Amel, Hypo and Stripe.

RC

Well, with a normal het amel and anery, bred to a snow you would get 25% amels, anerys, snows, and normals....
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

In a different clutch (anery het amel x snow) that gave me snows this year, I only got anerys with them. Last year, I got snows and amels (amel het anery x snow). I never even got 3 colors out of those pairings, let alone 4.

The clutch that I got 4 colors from was a normal(okeetee phase) het amel, anery to a ghost het amel.

Anery het amel x Snow (anery, amel)
50% anery het amel
50% snow

Amel het anery x Snow (anery, amel)
50% amel het anery
50% snow

With each of the above pairirgs you would only get two different phenotypes (looks). If you wanted a clutch of all four phenotypes (normal, amel, anery, snow) you would have to do something like a normal het snow x snow or amel het anery x anery het amel.

Normal het amel, anery x Ghost (anery, hypo) het amel
37.5% Normal het hypo, anery, poss het amel
37.5% Anery het hypo, poss het amel
12.5% Amel het hypo, anery
12.5% Snow het hypo

In this cross it is possible to get four different phenotypes.

~Katie
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too many Corns
1.3 Columbian Red Tail Boa (Abu, Jasmine, Princess, and Baby)
1.0 Burmese Python (Merlin)
2.3 Western Hognose (Stumpy, Sir Hiss, Lizi, Nozi, and Gabbi)
0.2.3 Leopard Geckos (Cutie, Lily, and 3 babies)
0.1 Pac Man Frogs (Gordito)
0.2 Sulcatta Tortoise (Shelly and Tails)
2.4 Ball Pythons (Fluffy, Fred, ?, Betty, Aurora, and Zoey)