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... my wife's Christmas present! She's a moody not-so-little Great Basin, but I've had a few of the snakeheads in our herp club tell me she looks like an intergrade. She's last years hatch.

reako45

Another pic of her.

reako45

Darren, I think those west sider gophers are pacific, maybe with GB influence. Closest basin I've seen was out around 190th E. Nice one though!
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

I'd like to see the range map for these Gopher ssp updated. I keep finding San Diegos that people think are Great Basin intergrades well outside of Great Basin range. I know range for Pacifics is supposed to end/start in Santa Barbara. Everybody pointed to the connected traintrack pattern on her back and said Great Basin intergrade (but w/ what SD or Pac?), but I've never seen one "yellow-up" like she has. Hey, do you have any pics of adult Gophers from that region? Jasonmc's got 1 on his website, but if I remember even that one doesn't look like this one. I'm gonna have to take the range maps off californiaherps.com and place them on a map of CA w/ all the county & city names. Take care, Nick.

reako45

I was told pacifics out west, basins out east, san diego up to the san gabriels.

West side, which I think of as Pacific or intergrade:

basin from 190th E:

I could be wrong, but that was what I was told. The west Lancasters look like calherps Pacifics, and easterners look like the basins, with less busy pattern. I'll have to have someone show me how to identify subspecies better to be able to tell for sure.
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."

I looked again @ the range map on calherps and the W. Lancasters definitely look like they'd fall in the intergrade zone which looks like where the ranges of 3 Gopher ssp converge (Basins, SD's & Pacs). That snake in your top pic is from W. Lancaster?! I'd swear that's a San Diego. Head shape & pattern look very much like an annectens. Nice pics. Love the GB you're holding in the bottom pic.

reako45

Funny, I never would have thought of that one as annectans. I heard annectans only range up to the san gabriels, so I think the one we spotted on bobs gap rd was annectans, didn't look like a west or east side gopher.

I think diegos and pacifics look remarkably similar though.
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"I'll be back at 6 if not 7. 8 the very latest but definatly no later than 9...ish...Moscow time."