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This mouse popped up in my fancy breeders, personally i have never seen a white mouse with black eyes before, i thought it was pretty cool, needless to say this mouse will not be turned into snake poop, i am going to play with her genetics and see if i can get white mice with black eyes consistantly, ahhh fun with breeders/feeders
Adam

Heh, I started my colony with 2 females from one place and a male from another.
They were all black and white hooded rats.
In the last 3 litters I got black and white, white only black eyes, siamese and calico.
It happens.

P.S. I think all white with black eyes is just like all black with black eyes. Doubt you'll get more than a few all white with black eyes babies, it's just natural variation hidden in the recessive genes that would have never been seen if they weren't bred to related stock.

>>P.S. I think all white with black eyes is just like all black with black eyes. Doubt you'll get more than a few all white with black eyes babies, it's just natural variation hidden in the recessive genes that would have never been seen if they weren't bred to related stock.
I had a couple litters where I bred Dumbos with regulars It is a nice surprise when dumbo pops up every now and than. I would love to get some calico rats. I know a girl that has a Black hairless Dumbo.
I just got bored with the all white rats.

Funny, I've never had an all white rat until recently. Don't know the official color names but I've always had:

Black
Black hooded
Blue
Blue hooded
Tan
Tan hooded
Brown (agouti?)
brown hooded
siamese (seal point?)
And only recently a few whites popped up.

Thing I've always liked about having the different colors is with a little care when placing females with males, I can always keep their breeding record tags with them as I move them around.

Mice on the other hand, I only have Black, White and Brown. Many years ago I had all kinds of colors but stopped breeding mice for a while.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

If I am not mistaken, a true siamese is codominant seal point and albino genes on the same locus, so the whites or possible albinos you got might have come as offspring from that.

I have never gotten true whites, but the blue-buff (pink eye dilute) ones are such a faded gray that they look white until they get a little older.

are you positive you got calico RATS? I only ask, because I am also a rat enthusiest (as well as a snake lover... go figure) and I have NEVER seen or heard of calico RATS being produced. It happens all the time in mice, but calico and brindle have yet to be produced in rats (at least not by someone who knew what a phenomena it was and actually began breeding them to sell as pets) so if you truly got calico rats and not calico mice, you should post pictures and start breeding them, because fancy rat breeders and showers will be all over it!... me included.
Pictures please!?!
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~Sara~
1.2 ball pythons (Scorpio, Dayzee, and Satan)
1.0 Black-lined plated lizard (Lizzy Butt)
0.1 Burmese Python (Pixil)
1.0 Pacman Frog (Pudge)
5.2 Pet Rats (Emo, Skye, Siam, Lilac, Manson, Spade, and Zilk)
1.1 Dogs (Ozzie and Mandy)
0.1 Cat (Isis)
0.0.1 Synodontis Catfish (Big Spotty Fish)
0.2 Convict Cichlids
0.0.2 Crayfish

Looking at them again, I see they're what you would call fawn, white and light tan. From black hooded parents.
I certainly wasn't trying to say I had anything unique, I was just saying that sometimes things you don't expect just pop up from time to time.
I just started breeding them recently, and am not sure of the terms used to describe them.
Sorry for the confusion.

Sounds like the red eye dilute or "buff" gene as it's sometimes called. It's pretty common in rats, and not at all surprising for 2 blacks to be carrying it.

That gene has screwed up every attempt of mine to breed blue dumbo rats. I always get blue-buff dumbos which look almost white.

They have black eyes, and some are pure white. Some have the tiniest bit of light gold or very light tan (Barely visible.). I just assumed they would have a tiny bit of black or something somewhere because of their parents.
I lost my olympus camera in my move, thinking of uprgading to a canon S3IS or a fuji s700, leaning toward the fuji.

>>This mouse popped up in my fancy breeders, personally i have never seen a white mouse with black eyes before, i thought it was pretty cool, needless to say this mouse will not be turned into snake poop, i am going to play with her genetics and see if i can get white mice with black eyes consistantly, ahhh fun with breeders/feeders
>>Adam
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Check the belly carefully. I think that is not a true white mouse, but maybe a fox or a tan. I had a couple like that pop up from my fox/tan breeders.
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PHWyvern

The belly is white with a tick mark of black, are you telling me to look for a two toned belly?

Adam

>>The belly is white with a tick mark of black, are you telling me to look for a two toned belly?
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>>Adam

on foxes and tans you should see a color change... very distinct line under the chin and down along the lower part of the side of the body. Foxes would have a whitish bottom color, tans of course are a tannish bottom color ..the strength of the bottom color can vary. I have a dove female who I didn't even realize was a tan until after her first litter of babies started growing their hair in...which proved to be all foxes and one tan. That's when I started looking closer at her and noticed her top and bottom colors were almost a perfect match.. with just the faintest darker line at the break point. I gave a bunch of the babies from that litter to someone else to breed later, but some of the females were already pregnant when I gave them to them. A couple of the babies born were white with black eyes and when still fuzzies, there seemed to be a slight color variance between top and bottom of the incoming colors..a slight offwhite top and a white bottom. Next month when I go to visit, I'm gonna check them out more closely.
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PHWyvern

I had a large colony of all white mice with black eyes for many years (Probably for over twenty) - even started getting some with long hair & a few silkies too. They were a great strain - I ended up losing them in a move.
Cheers,
Max
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