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This is what true south florida locale "brooksi" should look like. Anyone wanting a plain Jane normal south florida brooks king should look no further. As I have heard people asking for pure south flrorida kings that are het for nothing. But the truth is you can still get pure s. florida king that are het and are still pure.

These are a result of a triple het breeding of the Peanut Butter, hypo and axanthic. I have kept all of these lines pure and they all originated from the s. florida locale and are true Brooks kings. No northern florida kings in the mix.

These snakes are in the blue but if you will notice the pattern and side pattern and band count. Pay special attention to those 2 details. The ones with the most specks inbetween the crossbars will tun out the best (most yellow).

after they shed the specks inbetween the crossbars will show up more and after a few feeding the metamorphosis begins:

here is a adult normal double het that was from a hypo (beard line) and Peanut Butter. Both of those morphs are from south Florida local and are locale snakes. This snake was darker end of the scale compared in its clutch yet still turned out yellow. It was one i sold to Chris D as a baby and bought back. It still turned out high yellow as an adult. This is what these triple hets will turn out looking like and even better becauee some have more speckling between the crossbands than others. This is something we used to look for before the hypo came on the scene. Us brooks afficiandos were always looking for the ultimate high yellow brooks king and that was one tell tale sign for the l;ightest ones...

Here are some broosk kings bred into the northern florida kings, SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN PATTERN?

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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Thanks for the detailed description, I hadn't heard all that before. That adult is very nice.

That adult is very nice

Thanks!~ But I should point out that some of the ones I used to have would put that to one shame. This was before the hypos came on the scene and breeders were picking for the lightest brooks king and selectivly breeding them.

The particular adult you commented on was actaully not the best of the clucth as I recall the darkest with the least amount of speckling within that clutch. I am 100% positive that the ones I have now infrom the PB x axanthic X hypo clucth will turn out much yellower depending on the specks in the between scales. There is varience with in each clutch from dark to light. Anyone with breeding experience knows this is true with most snake clutches. Bottom line all these will turn out smoker normals and they are the special to me just because they are locale snakes.

What I like most about these is they are all trace back to the original w/c true brooks kings yeloow phenotype which seem to have vanished from the market. Ever since the hypo came along it was considered the "ultinate high yellow brooks" and people dispensed of the high yellow normal locale brooks kings. They just dissapeared from breeders collections. My guess is a lot of them were used to breed into other morphs that originated from the florida lines (northern florida kings)to produce hets.

Since this is the first time in a long while I have produced (and seen)true brooss kings. I forgot what true brooks king are and look like and I am excited about this three way morphs. This is something special only to someone who has been around the hobby to know what i am talking about. So it may not be as exciting to the rest of you all. I rememeber searching through many brooks clucthes and trying to pick the best babies in hopes they would turn out high yellow.

These will be not only produce new homozygot morphs that the hobby has not seen but are kept pure by line breeding to the original old stock collected 10-15 years ago. What is interesting is these genes survived (hidden) in these morphs that were outcrossed to other recessive traits. Not until now with the advent of the PB have these ressurected in the normal classic brooks form.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Here is a brief list of morphs that are not true blue "Brooks" kings.

Lavenders
T negatives albinos
Outcrossed hypo
outcrossed axanthics
BHB anerthristics
Whitesideds

The Peanut Butter, hypos (Beard, Love line)and axanthics are all from wild collected stock in s. florida and are the only morphs in the hobby that originate from these areas.

Now the visual reccessive forms do show abberancies but the het "normal" forms do not. Those abbernacies (in PB, axanthic, hypos) are just a result of the recessive gene having effect on the pattern as well as color.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I have a friend in Germany that just told me of an odd (to me) happening... He has a pair of unrelated hypos and bred them this year... One was from the States I know, but the other I'm unsure until I contact him again..
Anyway, he got zero hypos...Zero. from a hypo X hypo.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

Very interesting stuff... i would be interested in seeing pix of the adult snakes in question... it would be very cool to add a new mutation to the list.

~Z



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Royal ReptileZ

I have a friend in Germany that just told me of an odd (to me) happening... He has a pair of unrelated hypos and bred them this year... One was from the States I know, but the other I'm unsure until I contact him again..
Anyway, he got zero hypos...Zero. from a hypo X hypo

I wonder if it was a Peanut Butter he bred his hypo his into? I have also seen some lavender brooks that came from John Cherry that looked very very hypoish. Doubtful there is another strian of hypo out there. The Germans are not as up on things and thats why I wonder if there was any misidentification of it being a Peanut Butter or a different looking lavender. Pics would really help solve this.

There is the possbility that he got a Peanut from me. I sold some Peanut Butters to some Germans at the Daytona show 4-5 years ago. I also sold some to the Japanese and a group of 5 to a guy from South AFrica. So they could be popping up overseas and somehow misidentified by a seller calling them hypo and not Peanut Butter. I remeber selling these to the Germans bfore the name Peanut Butter was given. I used to call them Hypo B.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I've emailed him back and will let you know the lineage if I can.
Hopefully a pic or two as well.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

I've emailed him back and will let you know the lineage if I can.
Hopefully a pic or two as well.

*anxiously waits at computer biting nails*
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Haha. I think it's like 4 a.m. or something over there right now...tomorrow at the soonest I'd think..
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

Oh i'm fine. Really. I'll be up until 3 am anyway. Just siiiitting and waiting.

*tap* *tap* *tap*
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

that is cool.
i wonder if it is possible that he has a hypo and an albino breeders? i once had someone mistake hi red hypo offspring for albino because they were not familiar with anything other than hi yellow hypos.
pic is a high orange hypo i got from the Loves in '97 or '98
daveb

i believe this was originally bob fengya's project if my memory serves me correct to delete the reproductive difficulties originally encountered with the axanthic trait? it isn't a different trait than llemke, somebody did a lot of outbreeding to get it where it is, regarding pattern reduction, etc.
daveb

The trait is not different. I bred the two lines years ago to prove that. Fengya told me they were not derived from Lemkes axanthic. Same trait different line. I just wanted to be sure when i crossed the two.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

>>The trait is not different. I bred the two lines years ago to prove that. Fengya told me they were not derived from Lemkes axanthic. Same trait different line. I just wanted to be sure when i crossed the two.
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The "same trait, different line" bit is tripping me up. where else would axanthic genes come from at that time when there was relatively less numbers being bred ( compared to the explosion of genes now).

But anyhow the main point I was trying to point out was, were you calling new englands outbred axanthics? that is what I would consider them. as a matter of fact, I would consider any axanthic to be outbred to get over that initial fertility issue.
daveb

I was there when Lloyd had the axanthics. I fed them and worked with them. I know his stock. They came from somehwre else and had there fertility issues from the parent stock. The NE stock (line) was not related to his line and actually came about before his.

Kinda like the hypos from Beard and Love. They are two different lines. One did not come from the other. You are confusing the fertilty trait with the axanthic trait. The fertility probably came from the phenotypes those particular axanthics came from and not from the reccessive gene.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Great looking snakes but i love that potential most of all!

Hypo (Type I)

PB (Hypo Type II)

Axanthic

PB x Hypo : double Hypo brooksi (poss. het Axanthic)

PB x Axanthic: PB-Ghost (poss het hypo Type I )

Ghost (poss het PB!)

~Z
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Royal ReptileZ

Hypo (Type I)

Ghost (poss het PB!)

The PB x axanthic- homozygot sounds yummy. Will probably be a light tan looking morph. Much light and different from a ghost.

The ghost x PB- ohhhh wEEE! Who knows what that will look like. Maybe a white snake but not a snow looking animal . Something with a hint of melanin to keep things honest.

hypo x PB= who knows anyones guess is as good as mine on what these may look like. Probably a lighter cooler looking hypo. I am more exceited about the ghost x PB and axanthic X PBs.

Look out folks. Now there are true locale brooks morphs. Might cause a few eyebrows to raise from the Ball python morphs people invested in.

I think the new morphs comming up will change the market and value of Florida kings in general. Too many exciting things happening with all these new morphs on the horizon.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

The Royals(Balls) may be Regal but the King is KING!

I have a het PB from Tom.
I can't wait to see how he turns out.
I love the head pattern on him.

Anyway, thank you for a very informative post.
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11.14 L. getula californiae (Cal. King)
2.3 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
4.2 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - 14 eggs (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

hey did i leave my sneakers in the snake bag last year when you picked him up,they look like my fish farm shoes.LOL Chris

male is poss het for pb and hypo,the female is hypo and poss het for pb and the normal was a dark juvi.

who did you get that possible het Peanut Butter from? All of my breedings have been from PB male to het PB female unless I outcrossed the PB to another morph.. The only way that PB is kept pure is by breeding a het to het and I don't know of any such breedings yet. Its possible of course because they are out there. I am just wondering who you got a possible het from.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

they came from the DHs i got from you HELLO

heres a pic of the DHs,holy cra$,i deleted it and now its gone forever when i was cyber cleaning since you got em back, oh well i found some pics here not sure what they are have pb in the title,

Loks like the first pic is a PB possible het hypo and the hypo in the second pic must be a possible het Peanut butter. The normal is a possble het PB/hypo.

But I gotta tell you that one pic looks like the corn is eating the brooks king.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Okay thats what i thought. You first said poss het PB and not possible het PB AND hypo. HELLOOWwwwwwwwwwww!

So basically they came from that male I posted above that i got back from you.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

yeah the male is normal from 2 DoubleHs and the female from 2 DHs is already hypo so possible PB,yes your Daddy was the father and im sad the mother passed