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Sorry to wake every one up from there slumber (seems to be no movement) but I was wondering if any body has pics of bogeys from Mexico or New Mexico. I have heard of people herping in New Mexico and caching them (Oterio county or something like that) and I know they exist in Mexico. What do these locales look like?

Thanks
Alex

>>Sorry to wake every one up from there slumber (seems to be no movement) but I was wondering if any body has pics of bogeys from Mexico or New Mexico. I have heard of people herping in New Mexico and caching them (Oterio county or something like that) and I know they exist in Mexico. What do these locales look like?
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>> Alex

I'll have pics of both in my book. NM bogeys are quite variable in color. Many of the extreme northwestern forms (like El Paso and NM) have very thin neck stripes, as you'll see in the book.
The Durango, Mexico subocs (recognized by some as B. s. amplinotus) are also variable - some look very typical and Texas-like - others have thicker neck stripes and somewhat dumbbell-shaped markings on the tail, as opposed to clearly defined Hs. (It should be mentioned that some River Road animals have similar markings).
Webb, who described the Mexican subspecies, based his 1990 proposal off of these criteria as well as some "minor differences in scutellation", and some scientists feel that this isn't enough criteria to recognize them as a separate subspecies.

DR
Suboc.com

What do you think of those subocs from mexico that look like Pituophis? Are they part Pituophis? I had never heard of or seen one until visiting the Nature Center in San Angelo. What do you guys think of them. Chris, were you with Mike Price when they were found? You would probably know something about them in you were there!!

Thanks Alex

I think you must mean lineaticollis. They're not subocs that look like Pituophis; they're Pituophis that look like subocs. Yeah, Mike showed me those at the SANC...very striking the resemblance on some of those.

DR

Yeah, thats what I was thinking of. I think those snakes are really cool!! Mainly because of their bogey resemblence.

Thanks for the info!!!!!

Alex

I believe I have some pics from Otero county, but mainly from Eddy county. I'd say most from here are nice, more tan in color with not very much orange. I'm at work and am unable to access my photo host from here. I'll post when I get home.

Thanks, I cant wait to see them. Im hopping to go out to New Mexico sometime and catch a pare. Any roads that have alot of them? I went in June to New Mexico for one night and didnt find a thing, the road looked great and I figured we would find some sort of snake but no such luck.

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Alex

Can't find the Otero county one. Doesn't look much different though.

Where did you try finding them in NM?

in Otero county (just realized that, we were going to go to Texas but we made a last minute schedule change because of the law). We were staying in Alamogordo and we went south to Paxton Siding and then went east on 506 to Pinon. After that north again via 24 and 130. The trip took forever because it was dirt (unexpected). We were hoping to see something,not necassarly a suboc, just something.

The subocs are beutiful! What roads did you get them on? I am thinking about going back to New Mexico in September.

Thanks Alex

Also, thanks for the info Chris. It will probably be valuble when I go back in September.

I've caught bogeys in Otero county and in Dona Ana county as well. They aren't at all uncommon. You can find them all summer, I think they are more common in mid-June and early September. May might have been a little early for peak activity.

They get up as far north as to Elephant Butte Reservoir, but I don't know that they are common there. They are pretty common in the Guads, if you can find a legal place to roadhunt (i.e. not in the park) and also any sorts of rocky ridges our small mountains as long as you aren't too high up (under around 6000 ft is OK, 4000ft is better).
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas