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What excactly is a peanutbutter brooksi? Is it just a morph name b/c of the peanutbutter color... not like hypo that are more bright yellow?
And can I see a pic of a "northern Florda" king whats the main diff between them and brooksi?
God Bless
Chris

A few posts down - bluerosy explains all of this.

Peanut Butter is a type of hypomelanism that is different gene pair than the more common hypo line of brooksi/floridana. It also seems to be allelic with Tneg amel albinism (I'm not certain, but I think kind of like ultra and amel in corn snakes)
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11.14 L. getula californiae (Cal. King)
2.3 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
4.2 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - 14 eggs (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

ok but how does it difer from the hypo's? Maybe a pic of the 2 would help...

These are not from North Florida, but are what was being referred to in another post. These are normal Florida kings from Palm Beach County:

This is a brooksi:

"Peanut Butter" is a type of hypomelanism in Florida kings... Type II hypo if you will.

In the 1st strain of hypo black pigment is still present we just don't see as much of it! thus enhancing the ground color...

This is the same for the PB mutation but additionally the PB mutation affects the degree of melanin (black pigment) expressed... i.e. the dark pigments take on a more coffee brown color... also all PB's have ruby red eyes... The gene is almost like Hypo and Lavender where "superimposed" onto each other creating this mutation ... but it's not related (allelic) to either of those mutations.

However PB is allelic to the T- Albino mutation... when PB is bred to T- you don't get a clutch of 2x hets you end up with a completely NEW Morph! Aanalysis of this mutation is still in the early stages so what exactly the new morph really is, is still undetermined for now...

Pretty cool stuff all around!

Comparison Shot: PB on the left... Flame Hypo on the right

"Jelly" result of PB X T- mutation

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

It hypos out most all darker pigments, not just black... correct?

There is nothing "Basic" about the PB mutation...but to put it simply PB is another Strain of hypo... not related to the 1st strain...
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Royal ReptileZ

Axan and NE Axan? Same but not related? Sorry this gentics stuff confuses the crap outta me. I KNOW ONLY YOUR BASIC GENTICS
God Bless
Chris

There is Lemke line Axanthic and New England line Axanthic... the exact same gene... if you bred the two Lines you'd get 100% Axanthic. They are LINE bred snake... selectively bred for a desired appearance...

Hypo Type I .... Hypomelanistic Brooksi

PB Hypo Type II... Hypomelanistic Brooksi

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNRELATED GENES... bred together you will get all normal snakes carrying both types of hypo genes.

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

Superimposed is the best way to put it.

imagine taking a negative picture of a lavender and placing it over the picture of a hypo. There you have the Peanut butter.

The Peanut Butter characteristics are easly over looked at a glance. The black on a hypo is black. the black on a Peanut butter is a lavender color. Take a close look at the scales and you will see.

In other words you have more melanin on a hypo than a Peanut butter where the black is concerned.

Oh and the Peanut butter gene has been doing some pretty tricky things.

In this pic you will see a Phantom, 2 Peabino's and a Golden Peanut butter. All are from the same clucth.

*Phantom = Pb x anery homoz

*Peabino= PB x lavender homoz (hybono version instead with the PB gene)

*Golden PB = flame looking hypo in the pic. This was a surprise. This is a PB but none like I have ever seen. i produced three of these and they all look alike. Somehow the PB gene when outcrossed does some pretyy weird things. I think this snake looks like a flame hypo now to most but it will turn/change into something quite different as it matures.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

well that makes a little more sense lsat question so.. how did the come up with the name Peanutbutter" GOOD THING I MAINLY BREED CLASSIC "NATURAL" PHASE SNAKE HUH?
GOD BLESS

well that makes a little more sense lsat question so.. how did the come up with the name Peanutbutter" GOOD THING I MAINLY BREED CLASSIC "NATURAL" PHASE SNAKE HUH?

Everybody blames me for that but i did not come up with it. I called it a type B hypo. But I asked people on this forum a few years back what i should call it and they suggested names and voted. Peanut Butter was chosen for the hypo type B. Now I am actually happy it worked out this way because at the time I had no idea this gene would do so may weird and wonderful things when combinied to other morphs (like the codom with the T neg). So i think it deserves a different name besides Type B.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Yeah, but Peanut Butter?! Peanut butter is brown.

this way more peanut butter names can be added, such as p-b and 'nana(Elvis morph), p.b. and honey(honeybee morph), etc., lol!
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Todd Hughes

WELL THANKS ALL I THINK I GOT IT NOW...
GOD BLESS
CHRIS

So I can take a chocolate cal king and a PB brooksi and make a Reese's morph
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11.14 L. getula californiae (Cal. King)
2.3 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.0 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
4.2 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - 14 eggs (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

heres one thats 1/2 PB and 1/2 T neg called Jelly but they are variable

...remember contacting me way back then asking about the name mahogany???
Peanut butter is better...
:Mark
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