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This guy hatched out yesterday and his pattern, or rather lack of, has me perplexed. I've seen very high whites before, but they have always had a black dorsal stripe on their tail. Plus, this one looks more pink, than white.

Dam is a dotted high white and Sire is a 70/30 Banded out of Steve Osborne stock and are pictured below. As far as I know, there is no albino or lavender genes in these animals.

Your opinions would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Maria

http://www.alaskareptiles.com

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Maria

Alaska Reptiles

"Life is like a box of thayeri eggs..."

Best non-Albino High White I've seen!

it'll still be a Hi-white Cali king...

~ZF

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Royal ReptileZ

Hi. Thanks for your comment. If it is indeed a 'high white", do you have any idea as to why he is pink?
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Maria

Alaska Reptiles

"Life is like a box of thayeri eggs..."

Well he's is not an albino... just pale since he just hatched out... i have light snakes hatchling out near transparent... after the 1st shed he'll "darken" (the white will be less transparent)

Very cool accomplishment though! ... gotta love selective breeding!

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

Wow. Yeah.
That's gotta be easily the best Albino High White produced yet.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 7/21

Hi Mike,

The thing is, he should not be an albino. He retained the black and white typical head pattern and he has dark eyes. I have no idea as to why he is all white/pink, though. i'm just wondering what gene could be responsible fo this.
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Maria

Alaska Reptiles

"Life is like a box of thayeri eggs..."

I would say he's just a normal High White... And a really nice one at that.
He is probably pink because he just hatched... He'll start to turn white soon.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 7/21

Very interesting.

dare i say it, may be some type of piebaldism going on.

how are all the other sibs looking.

paul.
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Uk-Hybrids.com

Great snake Maria! I agree with the others. An exceptional high white who has yet to lose his transparency. Holdback material for sure.
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Thanks for your replies, everyone. I am actually breeding for high white dotted, so I was surprised with that one. That Dam's dotted sister produced a very nice dotted female a week ago and she looked very white straight out of the egg (picture below). I guess that is why I got surprised with the pink.

Three more have hatched this morning; one looks like the father, and two others are also extremely high white with just a touch of black. The two high white are pink also. This is my first year for Cali's so I thank you all for your comments; I guess they will whiten up as you all suggested.

Thanks!!

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Maria

Alaska Reptiles

"Life is like a box of thayeri eggs..."

I'd say it's along the lines of a paradox albino. A high white albino won't have dark pigmentation on it's head like that. Matter fact, any albino SHOULDN'T have dark pigment like that. Could be like UK-Hybrids says, and be a possible piebald? Very beautiful and interesting trait!!!
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Ace

what you have there is just a nice bannana cal king.

A high white will turn out white and yours will have lots of yellow. So its not a high White. Lots of confusion here on what is a "high white".

A high white is a desert phase cal king.Since your male breeders are a typical yellow coatsal and your female is a desert phase , your snake will have lots of yellow as time progreeses and it sheds and matures will start to get more melanin and turn yellow.

It takes sveral generations to breed out the yellow from cal kings. Since a real wild form "high white' cal king never existed breeders took the bannana cal king (newport phase/SD stripers ect) and bred them to the desert phase (Clark Co Nevada locales and Joshua Tree locales) and that started the path to a high white.... they had to do a lot of back breeding to the desert by picking the lightest one from the clutch and breeding it back into the desert phase. That created the 50/50 cal kings. Eventually the 50/50 turned into 25%/75% and finally a white snake with small amount of black on the neck. A High White is (I think) still priced at around $250 each for babies.

You snake is pre-shed and after subsequent sheds it will turn into a 87%-97% bannana cal king. You will see the yellows appear and the darker lines behind his neck and other places will be excentuated.

I am sure if there is anything else different about it Kerby (our resident Cal king expert) will chime in.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

For starters - nice High White cal king.

I got mine from Osbonbe in 1998 and started producing Albino High Whites in 2000. When I did this I first called Steve Osborne who swore on the phone that he did not have albinism in his line. Well he did cause I produced mine from his line and then guess what?? The next year he started producing Albino High Whites...so he must have figured out who the hets were.

And mine never produced any really HARD WHITE ones until I bred them into the Renegade black and white spotted line. There are a few strains of High Whites as they have been line bred by a few people since then.

Now will it keep the white? Maybe? Maybe not? But it won't turn yellow....maybe cream. It's not a hard white right now and probably will not get whiter.

It is not that uncommon for newly hatched babies to have a transparent look. Odds are THAT won't last long as it gets older and sheds. Please keep posting pics.

IT IS NOT PIEBALD.

IT IS NOT A PARADOX.

IT IS NOT THE BEST HIGH WHITE EVER PRODUCED. Dam close though. LOL Steve Osborne had a couple on display at the IRBA show in San Diego in 1998 that were all white/cream except the head pattern. Those were the best High Whites that I ever saw and that was 9 years ago.

Either way, that is a NICE High White cal king IMO.

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Very good post Kerby! I am glad to hear your thoughts on this.
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Genesis 1:1

Kerby~

Did you cahneg the dictionary on what a high white is/

To be clear with you on what I consider to be high whites are Tim Turmezies recent ads for his high whites. Have you seen them?

Maybe only a person from califonia knows. Oh jeez.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

**Did you cahneg the dictionary on what a high white is/**

????

LOL

Yes, I know what a high white is....

Yes, YOU know I've produced thousands of cal kings....

Yes, I have sold High Whites for $200-300 in the past....

Yes, Tim has some nice High Whites.... others have produced them too....

Yes, I have produced some just as good and some better....still doesn't mean I don't know what a High White is....

High Whites have been developed from OTHER areas than you are obviously aware of...

Yes, California Kingsnakes do exist in other states besides that foriegn country WEST of Arizona LOL

So, I have an opinion that DIFFERS than you - OH MY GOD!

Later,

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes

Hmmm. Sounds like you sold some marginal high whites to someone .
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com
Specializing In California Kingsnakes