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anyone know of any crosses between the known lucy lines out there ?
how 'bout pied x lucy ?
just wonderin' if it's been done. and what resulted if it was.

( not referring to the mojave/ lesser/ butter complex , i'm thinkin' ivory x blue eyed , blue x black eyed , etc. )

thanx in advance for your responses.
peace , ck

to cross a leucistic with a pied would be pointless. It would make an all white snake just like the leucistic you started with. I don't think a black eyed lucy would cross with a blue eyed because the snakes that produce them are allelically different. I do know of some fires het for albino. That could make a fire albino or, a hopefully a white snake with orange eyes.

your respose seems matter-of-fact, yet is still conjecture if we have no precedence to base it on. are you sure a pied x lucy would produce an all white snake ? do you mean in the first generation or in a subsequent f-1 mating ?
are you sure the lucy chip in a butter is found at a different locus than the lucy chip in a fire ? has anyone crossed a fire with a platty ?
just wanna know if anyone has tried this type of cross with any conclusive data resulting, that's all.
peace , ck

I am pretty sure on the white snake with the pied cross. I guess I just don't see the point in that cross. If you look at a buuter, lesser, and mojave, you can clearly see that the same genetics are at work. If you look at a fire or a Vin Russo het., they don't appear to be compatable either. I don know that Greg Graziani made a lucy with a Vin Russo het to a mojave. I may be wrong, but I have a mojave and a fire in my rack and see nothing alike between either one of those snakes. My true opinion is that a leucistic snake is a dead end visual morph, however if you saw the picture of the fire pastel, which I have seen and held in person, the potential of that morph to brighten everything up is tremendous.

I am just stating an opinion, but why would you try to use the leucistic to take out the color of a pied, when the contrasting colors is what makes the pied what it is.

a pied lucy...would be an all white snake...maybe with normal eyes? It won't have much a difference between other lucy snakes...to make it worth the effort. It may have a difference on the not totally white snakes....like the ivory, in giving it patches of pure white...

I am just guessing as I of course, never bred pieds or lucys of any type, much less together. But from my understanding of genetics, getting the recessive traits of pieds mixed with lucies, wouldn't make a very distinctive result....probably not one worth the cost of getting the parents and breeding offspring to get both traits showing on the animal.
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PHLdyPayne

Those pastel genetic stripes, lesser bees, and albino benetic stripes are worth the investment if you ask me. I just want to put my time and effort where I will get the most bang for my buck. Here's a toast to white snakes though, you gotta love
'em.