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23 years in the making.
Ted Thompson
Susquehanna Ectotherms
www.s-ecto.
com

are you kidding! is this the only one? very nice!

This is the only one, I should produce more next year.

Now that is the coolest milk morph I have seen, I love white sides. But, you gotta tells us more! Why 23 years and when can I get one

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Hi Vinny, Im glad you like her. The whole long story is on my site. Thanks, Ted

Ah, very cool. Especially when you think about that albino eastern posted below!

(Very nice tigers too!)

Best,
Vinny
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“There is a grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that whilst this planet has gone on cycling according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.” -C. Darwin, 1859

Natural Selection Reptiles

Is this a hybrid with a white sided brooksi? The look of it seems to stray away from a pure milk in my opinion.

NO it is not a hybrid! I despise hybrids and I would not have one in my collection. This is a pure Eastern Milk Snake. There is a picture of the original wild-caught White-sided in Dr.Bechtel's book "Reptile and Amphibian Variants" Krieger Publishing Company 1995.

That is one very strange/good looking milk then! Never heard of this trait. Good luck with your breeding! Its too bad we can't keep Eastern's in Ontario.

DOH... I totally forgot Eastern's are native here... awww man that is a bummer!@
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Balls, Milks & Coxi!

you wouldnt even need to ask that question! And strange? The only "strange" thing about it is that its an eastern milk snake with uhh white sides!

How are you there big guy? Shoot me an email, going to Daytona? Jeff

WOW what a beautiful milk! Congrats!!! Do you plan on selling some heterozygous offspring?
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Balls, Milks & Coxi!

morphs and espescially when it has taken so long. The whitewall speckled kings also took many many years to hit the market.

Later Shannon

White Sided is an awesome trait. The Speckled King was something I had to have, I was lucky to get them from Terry V in 2004. This Milk has some awesome contrast. Can't wait to see that in a year or two. Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Nice snake! Do you have any photos of the albino adult, I am interested in seeing to compare to.

Like I said on Sunday Ted thats one hell of a snake.That project has been in the making for a long time.Their is no crosses in that animal.It is strictly a pure Eastern Milksnake.

That's pretty cool Ted. Now get busy with the hypo mole cause its even neater looking!!

....but not like this triangulum.

Again, just an opinion.

Only mine is just the correct one

Chris

np

Do you really think so? You know I love mole kings, but I like this a lot more. I am beginning to wonder about the hypo molekings...that "het" that I got on breeding loan from Larry R. years in 98 may not be heterozygous. I have bred poss. het to poss. het to poss het,etc. many times over the last 7 years, I produced some pretty moles but no hypos.

Thats a stunning Eastern, congratulations on your work with the trait.
The W/S genetics seem to be poppin up everywhere these last few years,we had a campbelli dead in the egg last year that was showing the trait, the same breeding proved nothing this year, hopfully we will get the genetics to show its self again next year.

Paul.
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Uk-Hybrids.com

wow......very nice ted,congrats.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

Thats just what Triangulum needed to boost it's popularity.I've kept them in the past and hatched them and always said they were an underated snake.Looking farward to seeing this project expand.
Keep us posted and I will stop by and say hi at Hamburg.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

It's about time you let the cat out of the bag!!!!!
Congatulations Ted!!!
-Phil

Wow! First the albino posted earlier, and now this. Truly awesome snake.

I just looked at your site and read the page about the whitesided eastern.I'm thinking that the sib that is pictured with the white side is something special too?Just looks different from a normal.Super cool project!Congrats.
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"Upon Thy Belly Thou Shalt Go"

Congrats, man, first on your perseverance. Where would the hobby be w/out guys that pioneer new projects? Good looking snake! Never mind the haters, I'm sure they were bummed about us superceding "Mother Nature" when the automobile was invented too.

reako45

thats really awsome congratulations! its dedication like that, that i like to hear about!!! hats off to you
,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

VERY COOL MORPH, I HOPE YOU MAKE MANY MORE MORPHS OF THIS SPECIES

The day Ted changed his site from that loooooooooooooooong URL hehehe
Sussquehhhannnaaaecttothhermmmsssssssss.com
I mean really, I could never type it right the first time.
Both events have been a long time coming

Congrats Ted, thats really killer!

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Tom

"The more people I meet, the more I like my snakes"

Ted, is it male or female?? J

Hey Jeff, its a girl. Her two clutch mates are both males. They are all great feeders too, live pinks, no scenting.

Ted,

I noticed on your website that you are located in New Freedom I am located in Jacobus, you don't happen to give speeches at Nixon Park do you?

Nice snake BTW...
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

Too bad you wasted 23 years producing something not anywhere near as pretty as Mother Nature had already provided us!!

the animal that later produced this one. Are you just a troll or something? I don't see any posts by your screen name on here until you have something negative to say.
Ted is a very dedicated herper and hobbyist and what he did is great for our Hobby.

L8r Shannon Brown

Name calling? From a person who can't seem to spell naturE? You may think what has been done is good for the hobby, when all it is good for is somebody's pocketbook and ego. It is just sad that you folks are now a majority in a hobby that once was proud and caring about the animals, not just what a name they could make for themselves. As far as having negative things to say, this isn't a mutaul admiration society. If you don't want to read my posts, DON'T!! Peace and have fun screwing up more animals genetic lines.

You can't spell either, this is how you spell mutual. Breeding morphs is good for the hobby. Eastern Milk snakes have long been an underrated snake, morphs like this will help create more interest in this species. Morphs are especially important to people like me, who live in a state where it is not legal to keep "normal" Easterns. I am allowed to keep white-sides and their hets, albinos and any other morphs that may come up.
Most "morphs" that we have in the hobby are here because they were found in the WILD. Albino and Pied Ball pythons have been found in Africa since the 1960's, breeding populations of Albino Rosy Boas and Cal Kings, and melanistic Garters have all been found. Gravid adult albino females have been found that produced albino offspring, that means that they were bred by Heterozygous animals. So your comment about screwing up genetics is FALSE.
BTW, I personally only spent 4 years on the project, if you read the article you would know that.
Thanks to Shannon and all the people that had positive comments!

Do you have any pets? If you have any species of cat, dog, bird, or a domesticated animal then you are preaching contradiction, how do you think blood lines are created? We play god because we pick and choose what we like in animals and breed them to other animals that look the same or act the same way, we have been doing it for thousands of years.

What we do as a hobby can and does save wild populations of reptiles, do you think we are responsible for creating these mutant genes? No we just selectively breed what Mother Nature already gave us. If you had read the article instead of trolling you would have seen that this was a WILD CAUGHT animal originally…

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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

yea dont be so negative that is a beutiful animal that traces back from nature and was hardwork to produce

I really do not believe anyone wants to read anything you have to wright. You are a waste of time!! Go away!!

Congrats Ted. I heard about this about a month ago but was told to keep my mouth shut!!! Glad to finally see pics.

Go ahead, I gave you something else to gripe about!!

wow that is really beutiful congrats =]i got to start breeding my easterns now i need a male.

It's funny how little it takes to get people all in an uproar. It's horrible if someone doesn't follow the party line and just agree. I like to play the devil's advocate to see if I can get people to TRY and think outside the lines. One of these days someone will step up and say: "Yep, I did it to get my name noticed." or "I knew this would bring me some cash down the line." There are more of this type of people out there than most of you seem to think. I just want to see if one of them is brave enough to admit it here.
I have been keeping reptiles and other animals for about 45 years now and even I enjoy some of the morphs. So everybody, just take a chill pill and remember, we live where it is okay to have any type of belief and the right to express it, even if it seems widely out of favor.
And yes, I do spell skales wrong, because it gets noticed. Isn't that the reason behind most screen/user names? DUH!