Reptile & Amphibian Forums

catenifers? Is it because their locality purity has gone the way of corn snake due to so much morph creating? Is it because they are not as hulkish as their cousins the sayi? Is it their $ value? It seems the ones who do work with them love'em and the ones that dont have no real interest in them. What are others thoughts on this???

Later-Del

The California Fish and Game laws. In order for me to sell any normal appearing offspring I would need a permit. Same thing goes with Sonoran gophers.

So, I do have a few Sonorans because they are awesome, but I am focusing on bullsnakes and figure that way I avoid the hassle.

Bigger is better right?

Wow, which subspecies is that? Its beautiful! Is it just patternless?

i've thought the same thing from time to time myself. i'm another 'i used to keep them' guy but lost interest after a while. i have always been a solid bullsnake person and when you tally it all up.....bulls really are bigger and badder. but if you're a serious locality person, you might be willing to keep and feed pacifics for 15 years. i can see that. but from my point of view del......my bulls were making my cantifers look like poor cousins....so naturally, i got rid of them and got more bulls......haha

it's p.c. catenifer then p.c. sayi :-P. I will admit bulls are much easier to locate in large sizes but when you see a large cantenifer they are impressive. My female catenifer is lerger than any of my bulls or pines. I just wish all those first amels and striped gophers were documanted better in the begining. My wife says says she married me 'cause she wanted the biggest bang for her buck so I do agree with the size issue LMAO!!!!!!

Later-Del

Forgive an ignorant question, but what's the common for P.c. catenifir? I can never keep the bull/gopher snakes straight; too many P. c. somethings.

Thanks
paul
-----
Cornsnakes and kingsnakes and gophers oh my!

.

catenifier, I get to go over and help Del probe it. That 6' male you had DEl tore us up. I'll tell you right now catenifers do not like being probed. Not that any snake does, but the other snakes seem calm compared to a catenifer. He doesn't calm down after Del probes him either. Now he's angry and isn't going back in to his enclosure until he gets a piece of us. Scott Lupien collects some big catenifers up towards San Francisco. He's posted pics several times of some large Pacific Gophers. The amels and stripped gophers that aren't documented seem to be the ones that are out of California. Your amel and all your gophers are documented. I've seen breeders out of state advertising and wanting to get stripped w/c pacific gopjhers with locality because they don't have locality on the ones they got. The thing is if you get a Pacific gopher and/or Great Basin from a breeder in California, they have to have a permit if they cative bred it or sell it. The permit traces the lineage of his snakes back to the w/c founder stock in a lot of cases. You get a numbered receipt with the permit number. If you contact the California Fish and Game and give them the permit number, they can trace the lineage of your snake back to it's locale, what breeders were used over the years, etc. Your Sand Canyon Pacific gophers and Lancaster locale Great Basins Del are traceable back to the practically the hole the founders crawled out of. The Fish and Game even has the map you submitted showing the location where you caught the snakes. Now what's this thing your wife wanted more bang for her buck. I didn't realize anyone from Lake Isabella could think logically like that. You better let her rest after each time she blurts that out. LOL.

>>it's p.c. catenifer then p.c. sayi :-P. I will admit bulls are much easier to locate in large sizes but when you see a large cantenifer they are impressive. My female catenifer is lerger than any of my bulls or pines. I just wish all those first amels and striped gophers were documanted better in the begining. My wife says says she married me 'cause she wanted the biggest bang for her buck so I do agree with the size issue LMAO!!!!!!
>>
>>Later-Del

I do like the Catenifers but I like Affinis ,Annectan and Deserticola better, not because of colors morphs because I think they are naturally more colorful at least in my eyes . I'am planning on getting some more Pacific Gophers next year . I wish there where more high color locality Pacific available , I never see locality pacific on the market ..
Jason

Go to a herp show and it's like a candy store now. You have your red, white, orange, & yellow kings, corns, pythons. Lizards are now turquoise & purple. But when it comes to brown-on-brown, people pass by. Case in point: Spotted Pythons and Children's Pythons are easy, smallish and mellow but there's no demand.
I however, love gophers ever since I saw a picture as a kid. I love "natural" snakes with camo that blends in. I think I'm the only person who likes dark, melanin-washed corns and milks. Don't know why.