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Finally a good litter. Had a few disappointments this year, but it's starting to finally come through for us. Still waiting on a couple special litters too.
Sorry about the pics there of the day of. I will post some better ones after their first shed. The odds god was with us 6 hypo's and 1 normal all Het. Leopard, and all PURE Nic/Sonoran. NO COLUMBIAN Hopefully when they go back to each other we will get a solid hypo leopard as opposed to the salmon leopards. Thanks for looking.

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Sharon T.& Dominic D.
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I love these hypo Nic's. We have been working with our line for almost 5 years with 3 years of producing babies.


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THANK YOU
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I wonder if the pure hypo leopards will retain the leopard pattern. Congrats.

Greg

Hopefully. I believe they will. Even the hypoXhypo breedings keep the classic nic circle back pattern, although they ( the hypo to hypo breedings)are only F1's. The parents were wild caught (F0) and proven by me three years ago. We will be producing pure F2 hypo nics next year, and more hypo nic's het.leopard
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Sharon T.& Dominic D.
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Congratulations. Those are beautiful. Great odds too.

Thanks
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Sharon T.& Dominic D.
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love the looks of them and the yearling pics. Awesome tail on that one. Good luck with them.
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You mean "Pure Central American"right?
Looking good !

TnK

Yeah. I mean the hypo dam was a pure hypo Nic., and the sire a leopard.
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I hear this a lot, but everytime I look at a map, it seems to me that the Sonoran Desert is in NORTH America, not Central America. So, according to this, they wouldn't even be considered pure "Central" American. If that is close enough, than any Col. boa bred to a Nic morph should be considered "pure" as well. If someone can show me where the Sonoran Desert is not North American, I would love to see it because honestly from what I've seen it seems North American. Central America ranges from Southern Mexico to the Northern edge of Colombia as far as I can tell. It just seems odd to me that Central America is considered "pure" regardless of locale, while South American boas are not considered "pure" unless locale is specific, and usually verifiable. Take care

I think that's a pretty loose definition of the word "pure". It would make "pure" S. American boas pretty easy to come by, and would really mess up the Suriname,Guyana,Peruvian,Bolivian,etc. market. If Leopards are said to be Sonoran, I would consider breeding a Hypo SONORAN to a Leopard a "pure" hypo het leopard litter. Either way, it's a great litter.

Sorry but I corrected myself. I meant pure as in Nic hypo, and in my opinion nic's like mine (because there are a lot of different locality nic's out there as well. Mine are only 4 ft full grown.)are closer to sonoran's than a columbian(salmon)X leopard cross.
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Sharon T.& Dominic D.
Boas with Balls.
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PURE "DWARF " BOAS ... as in two smaller locale species that do not get as big as colombians .... dwarfs

I agree that they're closer than a Colombian x Leopard, geographically, but still not "pure". I like Reptimals idea of calling them Dwarfs. At some point the Hypos were Panama boas, ie Central American, but along the line became known almost solely as Colombian boas. With only a couple people having hypo het leopards, being "pure" would be a selling point or a way to make one stand above the other. In reality though, yours are no more "pure" than Celias, for example. This subject really bothers me because I have motleys that are a pain to sell because they are 75% CA. I could drop them into a "pure" CA Motley litter (no real locality data to say ANY of them are "pure" ) and you couldn't pick them out, but that doesn't matter. Then I see someone else selling "pure" CA Motleys from breeding to CanCun boas....That is NOT "pure" in my opinion, but nobody ever seems to question it. So I've been on the side of the fence you seem to be putting other breeders on, and it's not fun. Celias are 2500 for males, will yours be priced higher based on the premise that they're "pure"? I hope you see my point without thinking I'm just trying to attack you. I'm really not. I think the animals are awesome, and congratulations once again. I just don't agree with the claim. Take care

Once again the PURE part was in reference to the hypo nic dam. I mis-spoke, and I see your side of the point and agree. NONE of them are for sale, and when I cross back and get a hypo leopard that holds it's pattern they probably will sell for more. Celia's are great looking animals, but I for one hate how salmon's destroy original pattern. Salmon Motley's, case in point.
All I'm trying to do is keep the blood as close to locality (dwarf) as possible.
I appreciate your input.
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Sharon T.& Dominic D.
Boas with Balls.
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I think Salmons are to blame when it comes to losing the patterns when combined with pattern morphs as well. Of course a lot of people disagree, but the animals we are shown support this theory. Best of luck to you, those babies should make you some awesome hypo leopards in the future! Take care

The only pure hypo is a Panamanian hypo, because that is where the gene came from. There is no such thing as a pure hypo Nic, if it's a hypo it's got Panamanian blood in it. There's also no such thing as a pure hypo Colombian for the same reason. You're getting all hung up on pureness. Forget that and just make great boas.

Caden

>>Once again the PURE part was in reference to the hypo nic dam. I mis-spoke, and I see your side of the point and agree. NONE of them are for sale, and when I cross back and get a hypo leopard that holds it's pattern they probably will sell for more. Celia's are great looking animals, but I for one hate how salmon's destroy original pattern. Salmon Motley's, case in point.
>>All I'm trying to do is keep the blood as close to locality (dwarf) as possible.
>>I appreciate your input.
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>>Sharon T.& Dominic D.
>>Boas with Balls.
>>boaswithballs@yahoo.com
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so there is no hypo columbian? what about the T ? that is kinda like a hypo right?

Yeah no doubt
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Alligator thoughts overload hummingbird keys

TnK

I JUST heard the saying yesterday for the first time...."Alligator ego, hummingbird a@@" Thought it was great! I like your twist on it as well! LOL, take care

Just what I was thinking Paul...
By the way what has been going on?

Bob
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Robert McPhee

How have you been Bob? I've just been working, racing, taking care of snakes, and watching the kids grow up too fast. How are things up your way? Shoot me an e-mail sometime, or hit me up if you catch me online. Take care

Paul

Congrats on what looks to be a very cool "pure DWARF BCI" project ... I also tend to believe the Hypo NIC (and Hypo Sonoran) gene will produce some more interesting Dwarf Designer BCI projects ... if you compare most of the island form of Panamanian hypos, they have very reduced patterns ... I simply believe its that gene in the Salmons which tends to mess with and reduce most Pattern morphs its mixed with (Hypo Motley, etc) ... on the other hand it has less black than the CA & NA/ Mexican Hypo BCI ... so both "Hypo" traits should produce stunning but both very different Hypo Leopards,(and Bloody Salmons/ Hypos down the line).

cheers, John
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