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Post Inspired By Dave ......(DUW)

FRoberts Jul 28, 2007 10:25 PM

Well as some of you know I usually do not post too many, if any, pics of my collection. Although I do not have a Digital camera yet, one is soon to be acquired. In the meantime I will post a sample group of photos that shows a glimpse of my current collection and a few photos I had saved from previous animals I once possessed. They are not that good quality wise, but they do depict the general contents of my collection. Interestingly, these pictures do not depict even half of my collection. I have a new found respect for anyone trying to take pictures of just about anything that has the potential to move and or capture the animals true colors. These pictures only give a general idea of what my animals look like. I will assure you once I get a real camera, I most likely will go on picture posting frenzy. Thanks for looking and since I have not had the time to cull doubles, I am sorry for the slackerized picture post.

A few pics of animals that where a part of my collection at one time or another in the past.


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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Replies (29)

TimS Jul 28, 2007 10:44 PM

i cant wait for you to get a real cam i think i fell inlove all over again i love collections where it has more than one type of snake two at most *cough dave cough* lol. there are a few inparticular i want lots and lots of pics from you ok nvm all of them every single snake in your collection i want to see atleast 10 new pics of once you get the new cam

FRoberts Jul 28, 2007 11:10 PM

excessive compulsive ( just shy of making disorder status )I am
sure I will take MEGA pictures of everything.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

underdog125 Jul 29, 2007 01:12 AM

what kind of snake is the first one?

strictly4fun Jul 29, 2007 01:48 AM

FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 01:47 PM

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 07:40 AM

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

strictly4fun Jul 28, 2007 10:55 PM

lol Frank. I made a little list of my favorite boas you pictured so I expect lots of picks of these individuals when you get a digital camera

it doesn't have bright crescents but I love this snake

duh you know I like these

love this guy or gal from your recent arrivals

love the uniform circleback and ladder-tail on this one

if this boa is dark like the pic says it is then I like it

look at that tail!!!!!!

love the color of this guy

putting yellow on the map

don't know what it is but I like it though

thanks for sharing Frank and Dave would be proud
Bob

FRoberts Jul 28, 2007 11:07 PM

Thanks Bob,

The snake you had trouble identifying is a Blotchless Everglades rat snake, that BCI, is that dark and the one rainbow has changed colors and looks anery looking with white spos in cresents.
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

waspinator421 Jul 28, 2007 11:31 PM

Very cool pictures! You have a very nice, and varied collection. I'll be looking forward to your DUW posts when you finally get a camera. I have a feeling you'll be blowing Dave out of the water!
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FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 01:14 PM

of his rainbows, like Daisy for example.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Railrider1920 Jul 29, 2007 10:33 AM

Very cool!! Nice collection. What was that, about 95, 100 pictures? I stopped counting at 87

What is the snake in the 3rd picture? How about the 21st? And the 23rd, on the paper that says channeling Montreal. Was that a luecistic Tx Rat I saw towards the bottom? How is it for you? Is it as nasty as I heard they can be? Eastern kings and apalachicola kings? Nice stuff
Rob
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For Sale cheap: One (1) 6' 19 yr old male. Does no house work. Has no job and will complain. Constantly.
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa-Ziggy
1.0 Creamscicle motley corn--Cozmo
0.1 Creamscicle corn--Wanda
0.0.1 Normal corn
0.1 Black Pine - Spazz
1.0 Eastern King-Ozy
1.0 Bearded Dragon - Gomer

FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 01:30 PM

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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 02:41 PM

I truly believe the nomenclature for this snake should read Pituophis vertebralis vertebralis.]

#21 is called a Lavender Texas rat snake. (Elaphe obsoleta lindheimeri)

#23 is called a yellow anaconda. (Eunectes notaeus)

Yes that is a Leucistic texas rat snakes, (Elaphe obsoleta lindheimeri)

I have 7 Leucistic texas rat snakes, they are a bit nervous and rattle their tails a lot, but rarely bite. ( they where quite AGRO as hatchlings ). They can be mellow snakes and or little terrors, the more you interact with them, the more docile they become.

Lastly that is an Eastern Chain King Snake ( Lampropeltis getula getula )

Thanks for the kind words.

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 02:55 PM

Florida / Brook's kings
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Jul 29, 2007 10:02 PM

what kind are they? do i see some northerns!?!
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

FRoberts Jul 29, 2007 10:21 PM

Black Pines

Northern pines

Cape Gopher


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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Jul 29, 2007 10:56 PM

...did you acquire the northern pines? they're threatened in NJ!
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 07:34 AM

yes they are threatened not endangered, so with permission of the state you can acquire them, very strict about receipts and proof they where not collected from the wild. You can get a permit for any threatened specie in NJ ( excluding anything considered potentially dangerous.)

Judging from your post you where not aware of this.

I have turtles on my permit also, also you must prove or provide proof they where obtained out of the state of NJ.

Most people do not know our laws.

Green and yellow anacondas's where added to potentially dangerous list in 2001, I had them permitted already and therefore they where grand fathered and still legal for me to have.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Jul 30, 2007 04:06 PM

...all I know is that the laws are ridiculously strict!
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 07:45 PM

I must strongly disagree. NJ laws are quite fair in comparison to other states, for example, in the five boroughs of NY, you cannot even own a ball python. All python species are now illegal and will also be removed from the citizen(s) if they are found in their possession.

NJ has a "grandfather clause" that any animals you already have permitted, you can still possess them, but when they perish, you can not get a replacement for it.

Sometimes these officials ( in other states besides NJ) kill the confiscated animal(s) and use them as evidence in court against the citizen who was found to be in violation of that particular states law(s).

In my opinion this is border line criminaland lacks any type of Diplomacy

( Diplomacy is the art and practice of conducting negotiations between representatives of groups or states )

Only Yellow and Green Anacondas are considered potentially dangerous. ( I had yellow's on my permit before that rule was adopted )

They ( F & G ) based their decision on the "AGRO" tendencies these species commonly exhibit, not their potential large size.

If that wasn't the case, then all species that grow more then 9 feet would be illegal as well.

You do not even need a permit if your collection is all Boa constrictors.

As for venomous snakes

I do not think ANYONE IN ANY STATE should be able to keep any venomous snakes in a private sector type of environment.

However, I feel they should be able to be kept by professional scientists and a few select citizens, by this I mean, the citizen must have an apprenticeship involving logged time with a qualified professional who has a working knowledge of all species groups (types of venomous snakes) that can be kept in captivity. Also first aid protocol in case of accidental envenomations.

Also any and all protocol(s) that are necessary for the safety of the snakes, the keeper, and the general public at hand.

All protocols should / must be strictly adhered to at all times.

Back peddling a little, below is a good read for all interested parties who keep larger than typical species.

Please be sure you follow all safety protocol so we don't force the state of NJ to BAN pythons all together!!

AFH Guidelines For The Keeping Of LARGE CONSTRICTORS

This document is provided, free of charge, by the AFH. It can be freely distributed in printed or electronic form, but must have all text intact and credit given to the AFH. The AFH has also developed guidelines for monitor lizards and keeping of large boid snakes in schools. These guidelines have been used, in conjunction with our legislative handbook, to favorably influence municipal, county, and state legislation. The AFH also publishes THE VIVARIUM, the acclaimed journal on the captive breeding of amphibians and reptiles.

Introduction

The American Federation of Herpetoculturists (AFH) emphasizes responsible Herpetoculture as the backbone of its position on the keeping of amphibians and reptiles. With regard to the ownership of large constrictors, an outline of the AFH views which has been approved by the AFH Board of Directors and presented at several hearings in Southern California is as follows:

Responsible Large Constrictor Ownership

A. In consideration of the right of the general public not to be exposed unexpectedly to snakes such as large constrictors and in consideration of the irresponsible behavior of certain snake owners, the AFH recommends that snakes not be openly displayed in a public setting outside of proper and established forums for such practices such as Herpetological shows, educational displays, pet stores and presentations, and other special displays whereby members of the public are forewarned that a snake(s) maybe displayed in the open.

B. The AFH recommends that all snakes be transported in a manner that precludes escape: In a sturdy cloth bag free of holes or tears which is then placed inside a box or similar container with holes for aeration. The box or container should then be sealed or locked shut. Another alternative is to double bag snakes. Care must be taken to use sturdy cloth bags with a weave that allows for adequate air flow. Airlines should be consulted as to their requirements when shipping snakes by air.

C. For the keeping of large constrictors 8 feet or more, the AFH recommends general caging regulations whose effects are similar to those which require dog owners to keep their pets within the confines of their property. Caging regulations for large snakes should require owners of such snakes to house them in secure cages with a hinged top, or doors, or a sliding glass front which include a locking mechanism. Such enclosures should preferably be contained in a large room modified to prevent snake escapes and with a door which shall be kept shut or locked when not occupied by the owners. This recommendation is made to require responsible herpetocultural practices by individuals in consideration for the animals, for family members and for members of the general public. As herpetoculturists we will all benefit by adopting these responsible practices.

D. When handling any of the giant snakes (Green anaconda, Indian and Burmese python, African rock python, reticulated python and amethystine python) over 8 feet, the AFH recommends that another individual be present or at the very least within calling reach. The probability of any serious problem occurring when handling such snakes is very remote but the AFH position is that herpetoculturists, out of responsibility to themselves, to family members and to other herpetoculturists, should handle and maintain large snakes in a manner that significantly prevents the likelihood of any accident or incident.

E.The AFH does not recommend the ownership of the above mentioned giant constrictors as well as other large (adult size over 7 feet) boid snakes by minors without parental consent to assume responsibility for proper housing, maintenance and supervision when handling.

F.The AFH recommends that safe procedures be adopted during handling and feeding. These would include the use of a snake hook prior to removing a large python or boa from an enclosure. When feeding, food should never be offered by hand.

G.As with any other animals such as dogs, owners of large constrictors should remember that they can be liable for the medical costs of treating injuries as well as additional financial damages for traumas or damage caused by their animals.

What About Regulations?

There appears to have been a trend in the last few years for cities or states to draft ordinances or regulations to control or restrict ownership of large snakes. Various agencies or organizations directly or indirectly support these regulations particularly with regards to the ownership of large constrictors (typically boas and pythons which can achieve an adult length of over 8 feet). They contend that the public should be protected from the remote possibility of danger from these animals. Most of these proposed regulations conceal the underlying persistent bias against snakes which to this day permeates the attitudes of many people against reptiles. One would assume from these regulations that potentially dangerous things should not, as a matter of course be possessed by the general public. One could also be led to believe that these various agencies look out for our welfare. In fact, our lives are routinely affected by much greater probabilities of danger than presented by large constrictors that are condoned by numerous agencies as well as the federal government. Dogs raised and kept by irresponsible owners are clearly dangerous as plenty of statistical data indicates (10-15 deaths per year, millions of dollars spent in treating bites). Cats can be dangerous. They can claw (many people don't seem to mind). They also account for a significant percentage of reported animal bites and can carry some nasty diseases.
Living near other human beings can be very dangerous. In fact, based on available statistics, a human being has a far greater chance of being seriously injured from a bite by a fellow human than by a large constrictor. The cars we drive are potentially dangerous as several thousand deaths every year indicate. So is ownership of guns. Horses, if one were to look at available data in the U.S., are one of the most dangerous of domestic animals and many times more dangerous than snakes in terms of deaths and accidents. The electrical appliances in your house are dangerous as is the use of natural gas. So is drinking alcohol and smoking. In the midst of such numerous potential dangers which are an intrinsic part of life, poorly informed and biased state and local agencies regularly propose laws and ordinances which would attempt to ban ownership of large constrictors. If one relied on hard data rather than prejudice, one could make a much better case for banning ownership of dogs, horses, guns, automobiles etc. In the case of Burmese pythons, what becomes evident is that they have an extremely low behavioral propensity to kill humans by constriction. In one report which investigated authenticated deaths by large constrictors in the US . between 1978 and 1988 (4 deaths were reported of which three were caused by reticulated pythons), one incident involved a Burmese python. Furthermore, at
least three of the cases involved irresponsible herpetocultural practices. Considering the many large constrictors, including tens of thousands of Burmese pythons which have been imported and sold during that period, and considering the much more threatening dangers which are generally accepted as a normal part of every day life, the potential danger presented by large
constrictors pales. With a minimum of common sense and by adopting the recommendations made by Herpetological organizations such as the AFH, any problems associated with the ownership of large snakes can be addressed in a responsible manner without perpetuating bias and misinformation and without threatening the rights of herpetoculturists to practice their avocation.

In Conclusion

Before purchasing a Burmese python or any other large constrictor, check your state, county and local regulations for any provisions applying to the ownership of reptiles by individuals. Besides contacting the agencies in charge of implementing these regulations, other good sources of information are local Herpetological societies. It does not pay to break the law in this particular area. Before you know it, you could be making newspaper headlines on the 6 o'clock news. If local authorities call in the state or federal enforcement agencies (State Fish and Game and U.S. Fish and Wildlife) to investigate the possibility of other violations, you could also have an experience of personal violation that you are not about to forget. In some areas, possible possession of an illegal reptile can get more media attention than a major drug bust.

These Guidelines have been approved by the American Federation of Herpetoculturists' (AFH) Board of Directors as the official Guidelines for the keeping of Large Constrictors. Additional copies of these guidelines are available by writing the AFH, P.O. Box 300067, Escondido, CA 92030-0067.

also read this...

PLAYING WITH THE BIG BOYS: HANDLING LARGE CONSTRICTORS

by Lenny Flank

Last year, a 19-year old man was killed in New York City while preparing to feed his 13-foot Burmese python. In January 1994, a 6 foot python escaped from its owner in Santa Rosa, California, by crawling down the toilet, causing a panic among residents in the apartment building. In July 1993, a 15-year old boy in Commerce City, Colorado, was attacked and killed by an 11-foot Burmese Python. In June 1991, a nine year old boy in Long Beach, California, was bitten on the foot and coiled by a 12-foot pet python. In August 1984, a large python escaped its cage in Solvay, New York, causing a panic for nine days before it was found in the ceiling. In November 1980, a seven-month old girl in Dallas was killed when the family's 8-foot python escaped its cage and crawled into the crib, smothering the infant.

Every time an incident like this occurs, the consequences for herpetoculturalists are severe. The fear and misunderstanding which surrounds reptiles (and their keepers) is increased, authorities become more likely to pass uninformed laws in an attempt to "do something" about the "problem", and the efforts of responsible herpers to educate the public about these animals are undermined and crippled.

The problem of fatalities and attacks by captive snakes is very small, but is growing steadily. Between the years of 1978 and 1988, according to the American Federation of Herpetoculturalists, there were four reported instances of amateur keepers killed by their snakes, and only one of these involved a Burmese python (the others involved Reticulated pythons). A check of the New York Times herp between 1970 and 1992 turned up only one report of a fatality involving a captive python. In the five years since then, however, at least two deaths and a number of attacks have been reported, nearly all involving Burmese pythons. This appears to be a direct result of the growing popularity of captive Burms. Inexperienced snake keepers and large potentially aggressive constrictors make a particularly dangerous combination. The sad fact that many thousands of hatchling Burmese pythons have been purchased in the pet trade--most of them by people who are inexperienced and unprepared to deal with them once they reach a large size--means that the number of incidents involving these snakes will only increase in the future. Everyone who has or who may obtain in the future one of the large constrictors, therefore, must be aware of all the safety precautions that are necessary to keep these snakes, and must practice all of these safeguards until they become second nature.

Only five species of constricting snake get large enough to pose a serious threat to human life. These are the Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus), the Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina) , the Green Anaconda (Eunectes murinus), the Indian Python (Python molurus--the Burmese python P.m. bivittatus is a subspecies of the Indian) and the African Rock Python (Python sebae). Only two of these, the Burmese and the Reticulated, are commonly found in the pet trade. The Reticulated python can reach a maximum length of over 30 feet; the Burmese python can reach lengths up to 20 feet. The common Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor) has never been demonstrated to have ever killed a human being, but it can reach adult lengths near ten feet and can sometimes be difficult and unsafe to handle. For purposes of this discussion, then, any constricting snake that reaches an adult size of eight feet or more should be considered potentially dangerous.

Because Burmese pythons are tough and undemanding snakes, and are reliable feeders, they are sometimes recommended as "good snakes for beginners". The fact is, however, that they are large and powerful animals that grow quickly, reaching a potentially-dangerous size of eight to ten feet and a weight of fifty pounds within two years. Some people have attempted to control the snake's growth by feeding it only a limited amount of food--a practice that is harmful to the health of the animal, and also produces a snake that is always hungry and sometimes aggressive. Despite what you may hear, Burms are not suitable for beginners, and should not be kept until you have a few years of snake keeping experience to your credit.

The first priority in keeping large constrictors is to make sure they are under strict control at all times. Housing for a big boid is a much more complicated affair than it is for a corn or king snake; it is more akin to the requirements for keeping a venomous snake. The enclosure for a boa or python must be spacious and extraordinarily strong. Large snakes are immensely powerful and can push their way out of all but the strongest cages. The cage should be locked at all times, and if possible should itself be within an escape-proof room that is also locked. Very large snakes can be kept in a room of their own, or a walk-in closet which has been converted into a snake cage. These must be kept securely locked at all times. Be aware that boas and pythons can push their way through windows or screens and escape.

Under absolutely no circumstances, however, should a large constrictor ever be allowed to free roam in a room that is occupied by humans. Even though a snake may have been around humans since its birth, it is still a wild animal, with all its natural behaviors and instincts intact. If, for whatever reason, the snake suddenly feels threatened, or if it momentarily confuses its keepers with food, it can attack suddenly and unpredictably.

A number of rules must be followed in order to safely handle large constrictor snakes. While most boas and pythons are not usually aggressive, they are potentially lethal animals whose power and strength must be respected. No one should ever attempt to handle a large snake (eight feet or more) by himself. This includes even such routine tasks as changing the water or cleaning the cage. A rough guide recommended by most experienced snake keepers is to have one handler for every five feet of snake (every three feet is suggested for nervous or aggressive species such as Reticulated Pythons or Anacondas).

When handling a large constrictor, never allow any of the coils to wrap around your torso or your neck. Boas and pythons are extremely powerful animals, and can cause problems for you even if they are not attempting to constrict, simply by hanging on. If startled or frightened, the snake's reaction will be to tighten its grip--which can present immediate and serious problems if the snake has you coiled in a vulnerable spot.

Feeding time is an especially dangerous moment to be near a large constrictor snake. Although Burmese pythons are not aggressive animals, they are very eager feeders, and will often strike and constrict potential prey that is obviously too big for them to swallow. Because they have poor vision, snakes distinguish prey almost entirely by scent, and can easily confuse prey and keeper. As far as the snake is concerned, if you are moving and have the odor of food on or near you, you are probably food. The feeding response is largely reflexive, and the snake, if it thinks you are a potential meal, will instinctively constrict and kill you before realizing that you are too big to swallow. By the time the snake realizes its error, it will be too late for you. Nearly all fatal accidents involving large constrictors are the result of unsafe feeding procedures, known to experienced snakers as "Stupid Feeding Errors (SFE's)".

For this reason, great care should be taken to avoid confusing the snake during feeding time. Do not ever approach a large constrictor after having handled any potential prey animal (live or dead) or if any potential prey animal is in the area. Potential prey animals that may trigger a feeding response include virtually any warm-blooded creature, such as dogs, cats, rodents, birds and rabbits. In general, live prey animals should be avoided, and large snakes should be fed pre-killed prey exclusively. Dead prey animals intended as food should never be handled with the bare hands. Instead, keepers should use tongs or long-handled forceps to offer prey animals from a safe distance. It is a good idea to wash your hands thoroughly with soap before handling a large constrictor, to remove any trace of prey scent, and to never attempt to handle a large snake that is in a feeding mood.

Potentially dangerous species of snakes should be obtained when they are still very young. This allows the keeper and the snake to learn each other's habits and idiosyncrasies. At this stage, the keeper can learn to handle the snake and avoid Stupid Feeding Errors while risking nothing more serious than a few bites and puncture wounds. Snakes that are regularly and properly handled when young are less apt to be nervous and defensive when older.

Some experienced snake keepers suggest a routine of moving your snake to a different cage for feeding, the theory being that if the snake is always fed in the same cage, it will learn to associate the opening of the cage door with food, and may go into "hunting mode" whenever the cage is opened, striking at the keeper by mistake. In my experience, however, this has never been a problem. Since the cage door must be opened regularly for such non- feeding tasks as cleaning and watering, most snakes will not come to associate cage-opening with feeding. In addition, the "feed in another cage" strategy is not workable for very large constrictors, who should not be handled more than necessary and definitely not when they are hungry. Mistaken attacks on the part of the snake can usually be avoided if you use long-handled tongs for feeding and do not allow prey scent to get on you or your clothing.

Even if you do not intend to feed the snake, you should carefully watch its body language if you must go near it. If the snake begins to approach you stealthily, with tongue flickering and his eyes riveted on you, he is looking for prey and may be potentially aggressive. If, on the other hand, he draws back and pulls his neck in an S-shape, while hissing or breathing heavily, he is afraid and may strike at you in self-defense. Most large snakes will only use their coils to constrict a potential food item--in self-defense, they will strike with the teeth in the manner typical of all snakes. A bite from a large boid is an intensely painful affair, however, and is nothing to trifle with. Moreover, once the snake has struck, he may be enticed into a feeding response and begin to throw coils around you, especially if you begin to struggle.

In short, a number of simple but vital rules can be laid out for keeping a large boa or python:

(1) Never handle a large snake alone.

(2) Never allow the scent of a prey animal to get on or near you when handling a large snake.

(3) Never allow a large snake to free roam in a room occupied by humans.

(4) Always keep your large snake in a securely locked escape-proof enclosure, accessible only by you.

If these rules are not followed, the results can be tragic. In the New York case cited above, for instance, several of the basic safety rules were broken, and the keeper paid for his mistake with his life. According to published reports, the 19-year old snake keeper took his 13-foot Burmese python across the street to buy a live chicken for feeding. When he returned to his apartment, he put the snake on the floor in the hallway, opened the door, and took the box containing the chicken into the room. As he stepped back outside, the snake, seeing the movement and catching the scent of live prey, apparently mistook its owner for a chicken and struck at him, constricting and killing him. Alone, the victim was unable to escape the snake's coils.

Such highly publicized attacks by large snakes usually lead to a flood of local regulations and ordinances which restrict ownership of these animals. Many municipalities have already banned possession of any snake larger than eight or ten feet. A few have banned ownership of any boa or python species, no matter what adult size it reaches. In my local area, the city of Allentown, Pennsylvania, outlaws the possession of any "constricting snake"- -which makes even such harmless colubrids as king snakes and corn snakes technically illegal.

The problem of attacks by captive snakes should, however, be kept in perspective. Of the tens of thousands of large constrictors maintained in captivity, only a handful have ever attacked their owners. A much higher number of people are killed by German Shepards or Rottweilers every year than have ever been killed by large pet snakes. Nevertheless, attacks by large snakes are inevitably sensationalized and distorted by the media, and generate publicity that is detrimental to herpetoculture as a whole. Handle your snakes carefully and properly, and above all use common sense, and you can present an example of responsible reptile keeping.

Be alert, never let your guard down, complacency KILLS!!!

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Jul 30, 2007 10:04 PM

The laws pertaining to the large constrictors, potentially dangerous animals, and such are ones I'm OK with.

It's other laws I don't realy agree with.

For example, the ownership of CB corn snakes.

Last I checked, the only keepable corn snake in NJ was albinos and snows. All other morphs are considered illegal. I personally dislike albinos(snows I'm fine with) but personally, there was a time I wanted a corn, and the only morph I wanted was an Okeetee. Unfortunately, due to the laws at the time, I was unable to fulfill my dream! And to this day I STILL probably cannot get one legally.

I also disagree with some of the wild collecting permits. Some species are understandable to require permits for collecting, such as eastern kings. But to need to pay to collect black rats and racers, animals that are generally abundant where they occur like other animals that don't need permits, such as painted turtles and snapping turtles, is just ridiculous in my opinion.

I feel this post will soind ridiculous to most of you, I don't really keep up to date with the herp laws around here, maybe I should? lol
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 10:12 PM

all anomalies are now legal, but you can not have a regular corn, they changed that when the new state biologist took over, so my friend has black (anery) corns legally now.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM

...if ever wanted a corn snake again, I'd want nothing but an Okeetee.
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Scott

Reptiles
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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

Other
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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

FRoberts Jul 31, 2007 09:28 PM

i rather be slightly disappointed then have all pythons and boas banned
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Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

coluberking25 Aug 01, 2007 05:50 PM

Especially the CRBs.

I really wouldn't give a horse's @$$ if they banned BRBs.....lol
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Scott

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1 Colombian Rainbow Boa (Rocky)
1.0 Ball Python (Sultan)
0.1 California Kingsnake (Leota)
1.0 Eastern Painted Turtle (Yugi)
0.1 Red/Gold Bearded Dragon* (Irwin, R.I.P.)

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1.0 Betta Fish (Tyrone)
1.0 Hooded Rat* (Clubber, R.I.P.)
0.1 Albino Rat (Isis)

Jeff Clark Jul 29, 2007 11:03 PM

Frankk,
...Great looking collection.
Jeff

>>Well as some of you know I usually do not post too many, if any, pics of my collection. Although I do not have a Digital camera yet, one is soon to be acquired. In the meantime I will post a sample group of photos that shows a glimpse of my current collection and a few photos I had saved from previous animals I once possessed. They are not that good quality wise, but they do depict the general contents of my collection. Interestingly, these pictures do not depict even half of my collection. I have a new found respect for anyone trying to take pictures of just about anything that has the potential to move and or capture the animals true colors. These pictures only give a general idea of what my animals look like. I will assure you once I get a real camera, I most likely will go on picture posting frenzy. Thanks for looking and since I have not had the time to cull doubles, I am sorry for the slackerized picture post.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Frank Roberts
>>Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research
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FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 07:27 AM

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

tim21087 Jul 30, 2007 04:04 PM

that's some collection you have i'm truly jealous
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Tim

0.1 Colombian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Albino Motley Corn
1.0 Black cat

FRoberts Jul 30, 2007 07:48 PM

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

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