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odd eggs/babies D U beware

xblackheart Jul 30, 2007 01:39 AM

I had a corn snake lay some odd eggs, earlier this year. Some eggs were like milk snake size (not quite king snake size, but way bigger than corn snke eggs), and other eggs half the size of a normal corn egg. All the eggs survived, but the size difference is amazing. You can not tell very well in the pics, but it is crazy.
There is no rat blood in either snakes.

Here is mom

and dad

the eggs

the babies

look at the size difference

The few that are extremely small, I dont think there is any way for them to ge a pinkie down. Even new born pinks. I think they are gonna have to start with pinky heads!
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Replies (10)

Railrider1920 Jul 30, 2007 01:53 AM

It's most definitely weird about the size difference in the eggs. I think I would keep a few of the bigger ones just to see how they turn out and how big they get. Maybe they have a gene that makes them that much bigger than the others?
Nice looking
Rob
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JasonW Jul 30, 2007 09:21 AM

The color variation is cool. Were both parents Albino? It looked like it from the pictures
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xblackheart Jul 30, 2007 01:40 PM

both parents were hypo, so once those "normals" shed, there should be some hypos in there. Well, I am hoping the parents have the same Hypo gene, that is. The male is hypo normal, Het motley, amel, poss het anery (not sure a or b) and the mother is Hypo normal het for motley, amel, poss het for anery (not sure a or b)

The reason that I think the "poss het for anery" is, in a fisrt clutch by these two, only one egg survived incubation. The embryo developed, but did not hatch. It was an anery motley. I am not totally sure which anery because it is hard to tell on a dead snake that was still in the egg. But the reason I am not so sure about what I had seen is because I had bred this male to an anery last year and did not get any anerys from their clutch. I guess it could have just been the odds. Dang that punnett square!! lol
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****Misty****

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"Life is Killing Me"

Shaky Jul 30, 2007 10:12 AM

Misty, was this the female's first time laying?
How can you be sure there's no ratsnake influence?
Are the adults hypo?
Was she possibly bred with more than one male?
HOw old is she?
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V.P.
Austin Herp. Soc.

xblackheart Jul 30, 2007 01:48 PM

this snake came from the same breeder as the male. He is a purest. I mean, just like anyone else, I could not 100% guarantee that there are not rat snakes bred many generations ago. Maybe before this breeder came in the picture. i will have to ask him. I am pretty sure these snakes are from generations of being bred by this guy.

Both parents are hypo.
the female is 3 years. Yes this is her first year breeding, although her second clutch. Same male. i have had her since she was a hatchling and has never been housed with another male. Although, oddly enough, she did lay some duds on her own last year.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Life is Killing Me"

Shaky Jul 30, 2007 04:08 PM

Just about all you cay say is that it's some sort of anomaly. Any guess is as valid as another at this point. I suppose I wouldn't be surprised if she does this again in the future.
The babies all look perfectly healthy, though.
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V.P.
Austin Herp. Soc.

Rivets55 Jul 30, 2007 04:07 PM

That size reminds me of some of the creamsicles I've had.
Seems like they are kind of at the extream ends of the size spectrum.
If you average them out maybe they would be normal size?

Nice babies congrats!

John D
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Shaky Jul 30, 2007 04:11 PM

Misty,
I didn't pay attention before, but NONE of the young look hypo. You likely have a bunch of hets for two types of hypo.
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Austin Herp. Soc.

xblackheart Aug 03, 2007 12:54 PM

you know, I noticed that. how odd. I just assumed that since both parents were from the same breeder, that they'd be compatable. Go figure
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****Misty****

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cherokee_reptile Jul 30, 2007 07:45 PM

Misty,
I have heard of stuff like this breeding hypo to hypo that there could be some complacations. Not sure what kinda complacations though.
Tom

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