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AL Press: 5 yr old bit by Copperhead

Aug 02, 2007 11:42 AM

OPELIKA-AUBURN NEWS (Opelika, Alabama) 02 August 07 Five-year-old recovering after copperhead snake bite (Lindsay Field)
One 5-year-old will have an interesting show-and-tell story to share with friends when he starts kindergarten in two weeks.
Hagan Marlin was bitten by a copperhead snake in the backyard of his home in Opelika off South Uniroyal Road on Monday. Heidi Marlin, Hagan’s mother, said she still isn’t completely sure how he was bitten, because she’s gotten three different stories from her nature-loving son.
“Originally he told the ER doctor in Opelika that he wanted to pet the snake,” she said. “Early Tuesday he told the doctor in Birmingham that he thought it was a King Cobra that he had seen on the Animal Planet and knew that when you put your hand down by it they flare their hood, so he put his hand down so he’d flare his hood.”
Later that day, Hagan told Marlin’s mother, “snakes don’t like it when you pull them out of their houses, they get really mad.”
“He told her that the snake was halfway out of his house and he pulled it out of the (wood pile) and it bit him, so he hit it with a stick,” Marlin said. “My mother asked if that’s when the snake bit him again and Hagan said that if the snake bit him twice he should have hit it again.”
As soon as Hagan was bitten, he came running into the house to get his mother, screaming and crying. As Marlin tried to search for the snake in the backyard she called 911.
“I couldn’t find it, so I had Hagan come back out and show me where he was,” she said. “I held the snake with a shovel until the police got there, and the police officer shot him.”
“Seeing them is not common, but finding them around human activity is not uncommon,” said Jim Armstrong, AU professor and Alabama Cooperative Extension Service agent.
Copperheads can be found in wooded areas, near rocky areas or among stacks of lumber.
“I’ve been in Auburn for 17 years and can only think of five copperheads I’ve seen, but then there may be somebody else that may see two a week,” Armstrong said.
Marlin put the snake in a Ziploc bag and they took it to the emergency room with them.
“As soon as the doctors and nurses saw it, they said it was a copperhead,” she said. “I thought I was going to throw up when they told me that.”
East Alabama Medical Center has treated eight venomous reptile bites this year.
According to the North Carolina Extension Service Web site, a copperhead snake bite needs medical attention, is extremely painful, and may cause extensive scarring and loss of use. Many people are bitten while trying to kill or handle the snake. The site advises people not take chances - simply avoid these snakes.
It took the hospital about an hour to get the anti-venom ready, before the 5-year-old was air lifted to the Children’s Hospital in Birmingham.
“The toxicologist there, who sees every snake, insect and spider bite that comes through the door, said it was one of the worst snake bites she’s ever seen,” Marlin said. “There was concern in the beginning that he was going to lose it, but it’s okay right now. We’ll have to follow up with a plastic surgeon in Opelika though.”
Dr. Craig Guyer, biological sciences professor at Auburn University, said it’s extremely unusual for a copperhead snake to bite.
“You’re more likely to die from a bee sting than a snake bite,” he said. “For people who bump into these creatures in nature, the best thing is to observe from a distance. Unfortunately we have all these TV nature shows with charismatic hosts that make it look fun to just pick them up.”
Armstrong said some people tend to react more violently to snake bites, but there’s no way to know how you’ll react until you’re bit.
“In generally, copperhead bites are not as bad, or people don’t react as strongly, but that’s extremely variable,” he said.
“(Hagan is) great, doing wonderful, the typical bouncing-off-the-walls Hagan,” Marlin concluded. “He’s already asking if he can catch lizards when he gets home.”
Hagan has to keep his hand bandaged up for a few days, to keep it clean and limit any trauma to it, but otherwise he is OK.
Marlin said this won’t be the end of her son’s obsession with creepy, crawly creatures though.

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Replies (13)

azatrox Aug 02, 2007 02:21 PM

So it's TVs fault for showing showboats handle vens, it's the snake's fault for biting when (allegedly) pulled from a woodpile, etc. etc. etc...

Just where does the PARENT'S responsibility lie when allowing a 5 year old to play (from the looks of it unattended) around a woodpile???? Hmmm....

-AzAtrox

e&t Aug 02, 2007 03:29 PM

Wow, this story really shows just how pathetic people are when uneducated about snakes. Utterly pathetic. It makes me ashamed to live in Alabama, but I really have been for a while. Pathetic. This story really made me mad. Grrr...

richardduckworth Aug 02, 2007 09:05 PM

there are a million reasons to be ashamed to live in alabama lol. i have a 6 year old that doesn't play where i can't see her still. i may or may not be toeing that fine line between "concerned dad" and "won't let my kids breathe" but they're not being written about either. people just assume their yard is safe. they still think that snakes live IN the woods and hate open areas. "that looks snakey" is reserved for heavily forested or grown up areas. if they only knew what snakes really preferred. just lack of education and nowadays, it's at everyone's fingertips; no excuse.

TimCole Aug 02, 2007 09:31 PM

Too much redneckness in this story!
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e&amp;t Aug 03, 2007 12:53 AM

Ugh, you guys have no idea about "too much redneckness" lol. I live in a tiny town, not even on the map, and so far, I'm pretty sure me, my dad, and my girlfriend are the only snake lovers around here. We often find ourselves rescuing snakes from cars' headlights at night...no complaints there! But yeah, it really is a shame to live in such an uneducated, pitiful, closed-minded society. Despite my best efforts at school, no one seems to understand that if they leave snakes alone, the snakes will leave them alone. In fact, just last week, when I showed up for band camp at 8 am, I was horrified to find a decapitated and de-rattled 6 foot long crotalus horridus...no doubt the work of rednecks who believe they can tell the age of the snake from its rattle...it makes me sick to see the cruelty of my peers, based only on their mindless hatred of all that is different...idiots.

yoyoing Aug 03, 2007 06:21 AM

I could find no reason to get upset by this article. Nobody blamed TV, the 5 year old just couldn't get his story straight. Killing the snake was a shame, but it was brought in for identification. The care given was probably better than most would receive. Nobody ended up hating snakes. What did I miss to make this such a travesty?

e&amp;t Aug 03, 2007 08:59 AM

The overall hatred of snakes by nearly everyone in the story, plus we kinda got sidetracked and started talking about rednecks.

yoyoing Aug 03, 2007 10:08 AM

I did not register an overall hatred of snakes by anyone in the story or by the reporter covering the event. Please explain.

dewittg Aug 06, 2007 09:54 AM

>>Too much redneckness in this story!
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>>Tim Cole

But it doesn't hold a candle to this one:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/boy.killed.ap/index.html

NOBLE, Oklahoma (AP) -- A police officer shooting at a snake apparently killed a 5-year-old boy who was fishing at a nearby pond, officials said.

And dollars to donuts, this snake wasn't even venomous.

deg

e&amp;t Aug 03, 2007 12:25 PM

Well, the police officer, when he got there, immediately shot the snake, instead of bringing it alive. He could have captured the snake somehow, or something other than immediately killing it, but there are many solutions other than killing the snake simply for defending itself. Also, you can tell how uneducated the people are about snakes, as no one identifies it until the doctor. If they could be educated and would listen instead of just assuming that all snakes are evil, then I wouldn't have that much of a problem, but it is easier said than done. People seem reluctant to believe that snakes are anything but evil, and it really gets on my nerves. Most of the people in this story were either full of hatred toward snakes or uneducated and scared of snakes, and both scenarios get on my nerves, when there are people trying to educate them and help them, the snakes, and the environment.

yoyoing Aug 03, 2007 02:34 PM

I assume the police officer will be in front of a review board for discharging the weapon (the mom held it down with a shovel, right after her kid was bitten and she called 911). I like to think the emergency room has no interest in having a live venomous snake on site to satisfy the well being of the snake. I found the article light hearteded and the jounalist had the courtesy to consult University experts Who hated the snake?

e&amp;t Aug 03, 2007 03:23 PM

Ok, well, I respect your opinion. I was expressing my opinion, you have the same right. Either way I stand behind mine, and you stand behind yours, so it doesn't really matter, because there's no real solution.

yoyoing Aug 03, 2007 05:42 PM

Not a problem, I was just trying to connect your opinion to the facts and tone of the article. What really matters is that you are consistant with the mentality of this forum.

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