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Can anyone tell me the general genetic makeup of an Anery and a Snow Corn? Thanks in advance.
Foot Hill Reptiles

>>Can anyone tell me the general genetic makeup of an Anery and a Snow Corn? Thanks in advance.
>>Foot Hill Reptiles

well an anerythristic (anery) corn snake is a corn snake expressing anerythism
anerythrism removes red leaving a corn snake with white and shades of grey and black. Often showing yellow as the age, especially along the sides of the neck.

a snow corn is a corn snake expressing anerythrism (see above) and amelanism.
Amelanism removes melanin (black) leaving brighter remaining colors and red eyes.
when you combine the amelanism (removal of black) with the anerythrism (removal of the reds) you end up with a mostly white snake showing different muted levels of pinks, yellows and even greens.

hope this helps

a couple of snows and a couple of anerys

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Yes thank you that helps a bunch. So what you are saying is for example my Ghost Corn would be considered Anery? Also if you bred an Anery and a Snow and came out with a mostly white Corn what morph would that be? Thanks again.
Foot Hill Reptiles

>>Yes thank you that helps a bunch. So what you are saying is for example my Ghost Corn would be considered Anery? Also if you bred an Anery and a Snow and came out with a mostly white Corn what morph would that be? Thanks again.
>>Foot Hill Reptiles

Ok a ghost combines anerythrism and hypomelanism
you know about anerythrism
hypomelanism is a reduction in, but not total removal of, melanin (black) resulting in muted coloration where blacks would be.

so when you take a anerythristic (a basiccly black snake)
and combine it with hypomelanism you in turn mute the blacks resulting in a "ghostly" pale version of an anery. Almost like a negative version.

if you bred a ghost to a snow and got what is a basically white corn that means you got a snow.
To get a snow when breeding a ghost and snow together means your ghost is het amel.

when a snake expresses a particular color or pattern mutation it is Homozygous for that mutation
if a snake is carrying a color or pattern mutation but is not expressing it is Heterozygous for that trait

so your ghost is homozygous for anerythrism and hypomelanism but is also carrying the amel gene so it is heterozygous for amelanism

the snow is homozygous for anerythrism and amelanism.

so they are both carrying anerythrism and amelanism and the ghost is also carrying hypomelanism

in a clutch from these parents you should/could get
aneries that would be heterozygous for amelanism and hypomelanism
and snows heterozygous for hypomelanism

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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So then what should I get by breeding my Ghost with my Motley Albino male?
Foot Hill Reptiles

You'd get all normal-looking babies. Ghost is hypo and anery, both are simple recessive genetic traits. Albino and motley are simple recessive gentic traits as well. Since none of the traits in the two snakes "match up" (unless the ghost is het for albino and/or motley or the albino motley is het for anery and/or hypo). The normal-looking offspring would be het for the characteristics of their parents.

Here are some pink snows (albino combined with anery) that hatched here last week:

Third Eye

Ok I follow you 100% Beutifull snakes BTW, However would the young also not be HET for what ever the grandparents were? That being said what mix dose it take to make a Motley Albino and a Ghost? Thanks for the help thus far it really is a pain trying to trace genetics like this. If you see my new post you will see this very pair is expecting so your answers are really helping me to determine what I will get as well as what the HET's will be. Thanks agan.
Foot Hill Reptiles

To get an amel motley you would need 2 parents that display or are het for both. Such as amel motley X amel motley OR amel het motley x motley het amel. I don't have a genetics calculator handy so I can't tell you exactly what you would get percentage wise. But should be something like amels, amels het motley, motleys, motleys het amel.

To make a ghost you use the same formula but substitute with anery and hypomelanism.
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

>>You'd get all normal-looking babies. Ghost is hypo and anery, both are simple recessive genetic traits. Albino and motley are simple recessive gentic traits as well. Since none of the traits in the two snakes "match up" (unless the ghost is het for albino and/or motley or the albino motley is het for anery and/or hypo). The normal-looking offspring would be het for the characteristics of their parents.
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the ghost is het amel so breeding it to an amel motley should/could produce normals het amel het anery het hypo het motley
and amels het anery het hypo het motley

man, pair those babies up and you can have some fun
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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LOL so basically its not really possible to say all the morphs I may come out with LOL
Foot Hill Reptiles

>>LOL so basically its not really possible to say all the morphs I may come out with LOL
>>Foot Hill Reptiles

I ran it through the Genetics Wizard

if you bred one of the normals het amel het anery het hypo het motley
to one of the
amels het anery het hypo het motley

this what it shows.....LOL

Female is :normal het. Amel het. Anery A het. Motley het. Hypo
Male is : Amel het. Anery A het. Motley het. Hypo
Offspring is predicted :
1/128 het. Amel
1/64 normal het. Amel, het. Anery A
1/64 normal het. Amel, het. Motley
1/32 normal het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Motley
1/64 normal het. Amel, het. Hypo
1/32 normal het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Hypo
1/32 normal het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/16 normal het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/128 Amel
1/64 Amel, het. Anery A
1/64 Amel, het. Motley
1/32 Amel, het. Anery A, het. Motley
1/64 Amel, het. Hypo
1/32 Amel, het. Anery A, het. Hypo
1/32 Amel, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/16 Amel, het. Anery A, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/128 Anery A, het. Amel
1/64 Anery A, het. Amel, het. Motley
1/64 Anery A, het. Amel, het. Hypo
1/32 Anery A, het. Amel, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/128 Amel, Anery A
1/64 Amel, Anery A, het. Motley
1/64 Amel, Anery A, het. Hypo
1/32 Amel, Anery A, het. Motley, het. Hypo
1/128 Motley, het. Amel
1/64 Motley, het. Amel, het. Anery A
1/64 Motley, het. Amel, het. Hypo
1/32 Motley, het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Hypo
1/128 Amel, Motley
1/64 Amel, Motley, het. Anery A
1/64 Amel, Motley, het. Hypo
1/32 Amel, Motley, het. Anery A, het. Hypo
1/128 Anery A, Motley, het. Amel
1/64 Anery A, Motley, het. Amel, het. Hypo
1/128 Amel, Anery A, Motley
1/64 Amel, Anery A, Motley, het. Hypo
1/128 Hypo, het. Amel
1/64 Hypo, het. Amel, het. Anery A
1/64 Hypo, het. Amel, het. Motley
1/32 Hypo, het. Amel, het. Anery A, het. Motley
1/128 Amel, Hypo
1/64 Amel, Hypo, het. Anery A
1/64 Amel, Hypo, het. Motley
1/32 Amel, Hypo, het. Anery A, het. Motley
1/128 Anery A, Hypo, het. Amel
1/64 Anery A, Hypo, het. Amel, het. Motley
1/128 Amel, Anery A, Hypo
1/64 Amel, Anery A, Hypo, het. Motley
1/128 Motley, Hypo, het. Amel
1/64 Motley, Hypo, het. Amel, het. Anery A
1/128 Amel, Motley, Hypo
1/64 Amel, Motley, Hypo, het. Anery A
1/128 Anery A, Motley, Hypo, het. Amel
1/128 Amel, Anery A, Motley, Hypo
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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LOL I am sorry but I have no idea what that stuff means LOL
Foot Hill Reptiles

>>LOL I am sorry but I have no idea what that stuff means LOL
>>Foot Hill Reptiles

If you breed your ghost het amel to your amel motley
you will get normals het amel het anery het hypo het motley
and amels het anery het hypo het motley

if you breed one of the normals to one of the amels the results could be as listed before.

So the number on the left tells you the chance of getting that particular morph

1/128 means there is a 1 in 128 chance to get that
or 1/64 means a 1 in 64 chance to get that.
but what it all really means is that by breeding the normal and amel together the results could be anything listed.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Meaning from what I gather the possibilities of this pair are limitless as far as what I can produce?
Foot Hill Reptiles

>>Meaning from what I gather the possibilities of this pair are limitless as far as what I can produce?
>>Foot Hill Reptiles

well if you breed the ghost het amel to the amel motley and then breed one of the normal F1's to one of the amel F1's the results could be as listed
basically the same if you breed normal F1 to normal F1

I can narrow it down by leaving off the possible hets (really narrowed huh...lol)
You have a chance of getting..
Normals
Amels
Anerys
Hypos
Snows
Ghosts
Normal motleys
Amel motleys
Anery motleys
Hypo motleys
Snow motleys
Ghost motleys
Hypo amels (homozygous for hypo and amel)
Hypo amel motley (homozygous for hypo, amel and motley)
Hypo snows (homozygous for amel, anery and hypo)
Hypo snow motley (homozygous for amel, anery, hypo and motley)

are you confused yet.....LOL
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Hey Jimmy,
Is that first anery an A, or B? Looks a lot like a charcoal. It looks really good whatever it is. Nice and silver like your bairds!
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"

>>Hey Jimmy,
>> Is that first anery an A, or B? Looks a lot like a charcoal. It looks really good whatever it is. Nice and silver like your bairds!
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she really is a beauty.
She even has a slight frosting to her that looks pretty cool.
she is an anery A
I got her from a pairing between my ghost Jacob and one of my snows Glacier.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I think it is neat to own an adult snake AND the parents. Maybe some day I will be able to do that I would like to keep one of Hope's babies but doubt I will have the room! One is for a friend of mine so at least I will be able to watch it grow!
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-David Harrison-
.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"
.1 Ball Python "Rocky Ballboa" (Didn't name her!)

"Have you ever tried simply turning off the T.V., sitting down with your kids... and hitting them?"