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We as responsible and dedicated reptile breeders control the future of this hobby and trade. And I don't think any of us want the animals that we love and are responsible for producing to turn into some kind of freak show. If you feel that is neccessary to create hybrids thats fine, but i hope that those who take on such a responsibility do so with the utmost care and respect for the animals they are working with. Snake people get enough bad press as it is, so please lets not add any more fuel to that fire. And if your just doing it for some big payoff, well I am sure you will get your just rewards in the end.

Jeff

Freak Show? All the hybrid snakes I've seen look like snakes. I haven't seen the freak show eight eyed, three legged, two toed snake hybrid. And I honestly don't think that we would get such bad press for producing hybrid snakes like you said. The non-Herpers of the world wouldn't lose much sleep if they knew someone crossed two kinds of snakes; and if they did make a stink about it I guess WE as a reptile community could use dogs as an example,and state that different dogs have been crossed for eons. SO WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? One is man's best friend, and one is SATAN's handyman?

ERIC BAKER
BAKER REPTILES

I am only expressing my opinion and not looking for an arguement. So I personaly will not produce nor would I buy a hybridized snake, but thats just me. Personal choice. And as far as using dogs as an example. Tell that to the communities that have already band large constrictors when dogs kill, maim or injure more people every year then snakes do. And yet dogs are still considered "Mans best Friend".

Jeff

P.S. define xian

Talk about an unwinnable argument. I'm sure there are Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans reading this forum. But what that has to do with the hobby of herpetoculture in general, and BPs in particular, is puzzling to me. So will discussing it accomplish anything?

What it WILL do is start a flame war that will eventually be deleted-after a lot of people get angry and feelings are hurt all around.

Brad Chambers

Thanks for your comments Brad,
But this is in no way a religious debate for me. Its just a topic of conversation. I personally am not upset or anger in anyway. Nor would I get anger or upset unless people start resorting to name calling or personal attacks. I also understand that any point of view wether it agrees or disagrees with hybrids is mute. They already exist and thats fine by me. Its just that this has been the first topic in awhile that has sparked any interest for me on this forum. And if you can't have a nice open discussion about any particular topic then what is a forum really good for. There has got to be more then just "Is this a morph" or "My snake won't eat". I am in here every day, but don't even read a quater of the post I use to read. And I also notice that alot of people that use to post on here don't any more. Why? Is it because they have left the hobby or maybe they are tired of getting beat-up every time they express thier opinions. Or maybe they just found better things to do with thier time. I don't know. I guess at this point I am just thinking out loud. So I am done now.

Jeff

I am not a dog breeder, but I believe the A.K.C maitains extremely tight controls on what they consider as a new breed.

Anthing else is a bastard and mutt, is excluded, and the price and demand for them reflects this realization.

~Alan

golden doodles
bugs
peagles
cockapoos

etc etc.........not AKC yet sold great till they faded and were overprodiced

carpondros are cool.......

.......yet ball carpet seems stupid to me.....
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Labradoodle or German Shepherd? If I bred dogs the choice would be easy..

Charponros are the best looking hybrid, I agree. The rest I have seen look like the mutts they are in my opinion.

you must not have seen the jungle retics and jungle retic morphs. They are awesome, even the die hard retic people love them.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

i guess it is a matter of taste, but ive yet to see a carpondro that looks better than either a carpet or a chondro. the WORST chondro looks better than the BEST crapondro. no, it is not a typo CRAPondro.
joe

I agree 100% with you. If you are an experienced breeder and are doing it for the benefit of the animal or the hobby then I am all for it, but if you an inexperienced keeper who is looking for the big one and are willing to get it anyway possible then I feel really bad for you.

I think someone's efforts can be better utilized working on any new project "within" a certain genus rather than a "cross genus" project! I admit, I am amuzed by a "super ball" or "ballmese" but I wouldn't venture there!

Until we've seen every Ball gene crossed with every Ball gene, why potentially muddy the waters with hybrids?

I recall a breeder a few years ago with a new eye-catching morph. But, the morph was actually some Blood/Short-tailed Python X Ball Python hybrids....cute, huh?
(I'm sure someone knows who I'm speaking of.....don't mention names....it will only get THIS post deleted....I don't type for my health..... )

As much as I love keeping BPs, I'm a 'CornNut' at heart. Loves my gutatta! (Regardless of how some in the hobby 'look down' on Corns. grrr...lol)

Anyways, if I'm looking to add Gutatta stock, it is NOT from any breeder with even one hybrid/intergrade in their collection.

There is a 'hybrid stigma' that surrounds some corn morphs. (And those morphs in debate will not be in my collection...regardless of how 'cool' or 'neat' they look.)

When the Ball morphs took off I saw it as a 'clean slate' compared to the Corns and possible hybrid morphs...

And then came the Ball hybrids...ugh.

So, if someone is selling a Pastel with a distinctive look, a part of me wonders if the distinctive look is due to an Angolan/Ball or Blood/Ball hybrid in the animal's ancestry.....I CAN'T be the only Ball keeper who has this thought...??

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

got any ultramels?
ultra-anythings?
cremes at all?
rootbeers?
frosteds?
caramel / amber / butter ?

I know you'll say NO.............but you wouldn't believe the number of mixed things in the corn world that people have and don't know it.......

.......too late to keep anything pure.........corns,dogs,cats,people,snakes,even fishes.......

.have fun......good luck
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