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Heya guys I just thought I'd ask a few questions and show recent pic's. Luckily my dad was willing to help me get some recent pics by holding the BRB's while I took pictures.

By the way, anyone have some good tricks/techniques to get snakes to pose/coil on a surface for pictures? Because every time I try they just want to crawl arround. I know someone mentioned putting a bowl over them and leaving them for a few minutes but how do you get them to let you put them under/in a bowl? I have dificulty convincing mine to stay put and let go of me long enough to get the lid on the 3x2 feeding containers I use.

Is there a minimum weight/size for a male BRB to successfully breed? I can't remember ever hearing a min size for the males but wasn't sure. My male is currently 1 pound 13 ounces. My female is currently 3 pounds 6 ounces.

Secondly I was curious how people would describe the male as he is much closer to my preffered appearance on BRB's. Particularly the contrast between saddle and background color in addition to overall bright colors.

Anyways here is a few pics of the male "Navel"

Head shot

Picture in sunlight (closest to true color)

Picture in shadow

And here's a few of my female "Brunhilde"

Head shot

Picture in the sunlight

Picture in the shade (closest to true coloration)

Also I was curious if eclipse phase is a selectively bred for trait or a reccessive inherited trait? I assume it is selectively bred for but thats just a guess.

Mostly I ask out of curiosity of how much crescent size/presence variance there is within normal population. Especially since my male has very prominent crescents but my female for the most part has 1/2 to 1 scale thick crescents where she has any at all.

Sorry for the picture size, I didn't realize how large they would end up until I was posting this. Does anyone have a recomendation on pixel size to use for posted images?

Thanks again,

Sean.

Sean,
....I am not sure what the smallest size is for a breeding male. I think I have had them father litters when they were as small as two pounds. Your female is just large enough to reproduce. You can probably grow her a couple inches and put another half pound on her over the next few months to have her safer to breed and able to produce a larger litter. The male should be real easy to grow larger over a few months. I have found that age is as important as size. I have never had any BRB lay babies at age two years. I have only heard of one breeder doing it. Mine often produce first litters around their third birthday but some not until a year older.
....They do try to crawl away when you want them to pose for PICs. I take most of my pics of them in containers. I leave the lid on the container until I am ready to shoot and then uncover and shoot before they start crawling.
....I would describe your female as a typical BRB and your male as a high orange one. Crescent size, color and shape can be all over the place. Some have no crescents and some have crescents so large that they are spots rather than crescents. Crescents can be white or yellow or orange. We try to selectively breed for crescent characteristics and can be successful but they seem to be just normal variations.
Jeff

>>Heya guys I just thought I'd ask a few questions and show recent pic's. Luckily my dad was willing to help me get some recent pics by holding the BRB's while I took pictures.
>>
>>By the way, anyone have some good tricks/techniques to get snakes to pose/coil on a surface for pictures? Because every time I try they just want to crawl arround. I know someone mentioned putting a bowl over them and leaving them for a few minutes but how do you get them to let you put them under/in a bowl? I have dificulty convincing mine to stay put and let go of me long enough to get the lid on the 3x2 feeding containers I use.
>>
>>Is there a minimum weight/size for a male BRB to successfully breed? I can't remember ever hearing a min size for the males but wasn't sure. My male is currently 1 pound 13 ounces. My female is currently 3 pounds 6 ounces.
>>
>>Secondly I was curious how people would describe the male as he is much closer to my preffered appearance on BRB's. Particularly the contrast between saddle and background color in addition to overall bright colors.
>>
>>Anyways here is a few pics of the male "Navel"
>>
>>Head shot
>>
>>Picture in sunlight (closest to true color)
>>
>>Picture in shadow
>>
>>
>>And here's a few of my female "Brunhilde"
>>
>>Head shot
>>
>>Picture in the sunlight
>>
>>Picture in the shade (closest to true coloration)
>>
>>
>>Also I was curious if eclipse phase is a selectively bred for trait or a reccessive inherited trait? I assume it is selectively bred for but thats just a guess.
>>
>>Mostly I ask out of curiosity of how much crescent size/presence variance there is within normal population. Especially since my male has very prominent crescents but my female for the most part has 1/2 to 1 scale thick crescents where she has any at all.
>>
>>Sorry for the picture size, I didn't realize how large they would end up until I was posting this. Does anyone have a recomendation on pixel size to use for posted images?
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>
>>Sean.

Thanks for the info Jeff.

As far as ages both of my BRB's were born from litters in june 05 so they would both be close to 3 years old when I would be attempting to breed them.

Also do high orange and high red seem to be related in offspring like color density in Thayeri kings is or do they seem to be completely unrelated? Basicaly would breeding a high orange to a high red tend to produce any more high red/orange offspring then in a litter produced by breeding a high orange/red to a normal colored BRB?

Anyways thanks again for the info.

Sean.

Jeff I bred a female younger then 2 years old, she had 13 babies, no slugs, but her weight was not properly taken into consideration, she almost died from it. I now go with your recommendations regarding proper body weight be some what more critical then most people think. The female I have now looks to be much heavier, she is over 3.5 pounds already, by breeding time she should be a good and solid and ready to go....

>>Sean,
>>....I am not sure what the smallest size is for a breeding male. I think I have had them father litters when they were as small as two pounds. Your female is just large enough to reproduce. You can probably grow her a couple inches and put another half pound on her over the next few months to have her safer to breed and able to produce a larger litter. The male should be real easy to grow larger over a few months. I have found that age is as important as size. I have never had any BRB lay babies at age two years. I have only heard of one breeder doing it. Mine often produce first litters around their third birthday but some not until a year older.
>>....They do try to crawl away when you want them to pose for PICs. I take most of my pics of them in containers. I leave the lid on the container until I am ready to shoot and then uncover and shoot before they start crawling.
>>....I would describe your female as a typical BRB and your male as a high orange one. Crescent size, color and shape can be all over the place. Some have no crescents and some have crescents so large that they are spots rather than crescents. Crescents can be white or yellow or orange. We try to selectively breed for crescent characteristics and can be successful but they seem to be just normal variations.
>>Jeff
>>
>>>>Heya guys I just thought I'd ask a few questions and show recent pic's. Luckily my dad was willing to help me get some recent pics by holding the BRB's while I took pictures.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, anyone have some good tricks/techniques to get snakes to pose/coil on a surface for pictures? Because every time I try they just want to crawl arround. I know someone mentioned putting a bowl over them and leaving them for a few minutes but how do you get them to let you put them under/in a bowl? I have dificulty convincing mine to stay put and let go of me long enough to get the lid on the 3x2 feeding containers I use.
>>>>
>>>>Is there a minimum weight/size for a male BRB to successfully breed? I can't remember ever hearing a min size for the males but wasn't sure. My male is currently 1 pound 13 ounces. My female is currently 3 pounds 6 ounces.
>>>>
>>>>Secondly I was curious how people would describe the male as he is much closer to my preffered appearance on BRB's. Particularly the contrast between saddle and background color in addition to overall bright colors.
>>>>
>>>>Anyways here is a few pics of the male "Navel"
>>>>
>>>>Head shot
>>>>
>>>>Picture in sunlight (closest to true color)
>>>>
>>>>Picture in shadow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And here's a few of my female "Brunhilde"
>>>>
>>>>Head shot
>>>>
>>>>Picture in the sunlight
>>>>
>>>>Picture in the shade (closest to true coloration)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Also I was curious if eclipse phase is a selectively bred for trait or a reccessive inherited trait? I assume it is selectively bred for but thats just a guess.
>>>>
>>>>Mostly I ask out of curiosity of how much crescent size/presence variance there is within normal population. Especially since my male has very prominent crescents but my female for the most part has 1/2 to 1 scale thick crescents where she has any at all.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for the picture size, I didn't realize how large they would end up until I was posting this. Does anyone have a recomendation on pixel size to use for posted images?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again,
>>>>
>>>>Sean.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

That is a stunning male you have there! My favorite BRBs are the ones with saddle contrast like that. What is his background?
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

I do not know much of their background currently but plan on trying to get some more info when I talk to the breeder I got them from when I see him at the next sacramento repile show.

I got them from Randy Wright in 05 at the Sacramento show. Of the ones he had the male was definitely the best looking I found. Unfortunately, because he hires someone to do his digital photo's, he only has a single sample picture on his web site.

If you want to get ahold of him his web site is:

http://www.rosyboa.com/randywright.htm

I definitely plan on using my current male as a breeder to a hypo if I get into hypo's down the road.

Sean.

Well, whatever his background, he's a really nice animal.

Hey, I'm going to be set up at Sacramento this year, please stop by and say Hi O.K. I'd love to start putting more faces to names, especially with the N. California folks.
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Mike Lockwood
www.tooscaley.com

Glad to hear you'll be there and I'll definitely make sure to drop by. I'll probably be volunteering at the entrance table again this year so I'll be bouncing between the front table and walking arround the show.

Sean.

>>Heya guys I just thought I'd ask a few questions and show recent pic's. Luckily my dad was willing to help me get some recent pics by holding the BRB's while I took pictures.
>>
>>By the way, anyone have some good tricks/techniques to get snakes to pose/coil on a surface for pictures? Because every time I try they just want to crawl arround. I know someone mentioned putting a bowl over them and leaving them for a few minutes but how do you get them to let you put them under/in a bowl? I have dificulty convincing mine to stay put and let go of me long enough to get the lid on the 3x2 feeding containers I use.
>>
>>Is there a minimum weight/size for a male BRB to successfully breed? I can't remember ever hearing a min size for the males but wasn't sure. My male is currently 1 pound 13 ounces. My female is currently 3 pounds 6 ounces.
>>
>>Secondly I was curious how people would describe the male as he is much closer to my preffered appearance on BRB's. Particularly the contrast between saddle and background color in addition to overall bright colors.
>>
>>Anyways here is a few pics of the male "Navel"
>>
>>Head shot
>>
>>Picture in sunlight (closest to true color)
>>
>>Picture in shadow
>>
>>
>>And here's a few of my female "Brunhilde"
>>
>>Head shot
>>
>>Picture in the sunlight
>>
>>Picture in the shade (closest to true coloration)
>>
>>
>>Also I was curious if eclipse phase is a selectively bred for trait or a reccessive inherited trait? I assume it is selectively bred for but thats just a guess.
>>
>>Mostly I ask out of curiosity of how much crescent size/presence variance there is within normal population. Especially since my male has very prominent crescents but my female for the most part has 1/2 to 1 scale thick crescents where she has any at all.
>>
>>Sorry for the picture size, I didn't realize how large they would end up until I was posting this. Does anyone have a recomendation on pixel size to use for posted images?
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>
>>Sean.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

thanks for sharing Sean and Navel is a looker with that contrast
Bob

Thanks for the compliments and all the information everyone.

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone have/know a comprehensive morph/propsective morph list for BRB's?

I have heard "rumors" of countless different morphs of BRB's but I have seen/heard no evidence for most of them. The only morphs that I've confirmed are hypo and anery. The only prospective(unproven) morphs I've heard reliably confirmed is the calico and that still unproven.

Just curious what the current status or existence of morphs in BRB's is.

Thanks for any info anyone has and thanks again for the compliments to Navel

Sean.

proven would have to be of course the
1- the hypo
2- the anery
3- the albino t- (not in distribution YET I don't believe) may not be proven yet but Ian don't share pics or anything but I'm sure he has a couple so you may consider this unproven if your a pissy pesimistic like Frank or hope for the best

unproven
1- licorice
2- calico (Dave did a write up recently on this) but two hets are out there I believe

and some pattern mutations for crescents
1- bullseye
2- eclipse
3- blush
4- striped

and dorsal stripes are in the works and anyone correct me if I'm wrong cuz I just woke up from a nap
Bob

As of yet to my knowledge no pattern morphs have yet been proven to be single gene morphs. More of a line bred trait. Not saying there are no single gene pattern morphs, just none proven (and announced) yet.

And per Brian Sharp there are two pairs of offspring from the calico male "out there" in the hands of unknown individuals. All other offspring were lost in a thermostat malfunction.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

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Tim

0.1 Colombian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Albino Motley Corn
1.0 Black cat