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...Alright let's see some FL king pics.
I would like to specifically see adult and hopefully your largest morphs of FL kings.
It seems I never see anything but small adults and never any over 5' in any morph. Hypos being the lone exception I can think of at this moment..haha
I know wild FL kings sometimes get over 5' and I have seen some cb normals that size or maybe even larger, but I'd like to see what you have.
It was believed many moons ago that brooksi was a smaller snake than the peninsular one.
Are the morphs generally a smaller snake?
Let's see.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Hey, Mark,

I've never taken an accurate measurement of mangohead (lav brooks), but I believe he's just over five feet. I just found him a good home, as I'm too swamped with what I already have--but he's been my baby for almost seven years.

Mark

I don't belive there are many pure "brooksi" morphs that aren't outbred to the peninsular ones anymore.

I wish the term "brooks" or "brooksi" would be used correctly but I would be the only one if I did. It boils down to the Brooks name is more marketable. Besides I am not going to compete with any Tom, Dick and Harry that has yukky peninsular trypes labled as Brooks. Which is the case these days.

Whenever i try to explain the difference to people (like with my triple hets that all trace back to pure brooksi) their eyes glass over with disinterest and they just want to know about the reccessive traits. Personally I get excited about anything locale or pure but the market does not.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

So do you have any pics of a large Fl king?? I was hoping you of all people, would.
I think my largest hypo is a bit over 5'.
In general I think the whole species in the hobby is shrinking... Maybe wild ones too....??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

well basically the New Englands and Peanut Butter come from the are where the true s. florida brooksi are from. they don't get big and have small heads. My lavs and such get huge and have large heads.

The Hypo Beard line is smaller than the Love line and I think that has something to do with Beards line comeing from true brooks phenotypes where as i am not 100% sure where the stock came from the loves originated. I heard it was brooksi though, I just forgot the exact place they got their wildcaughts out of. I am going to ask them this year at the expo again.. Just can't remember.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Hey Rainer,
So are true Southern Floridana, or Brooksi gone in the wild?
Are they all N. Floridana intergrades? I know this topic has been brought up before, and I'm not trying to start a flame war.
I would just find it sad if nobody had "true" Brooksi anymore. I know that some of your bloodlines are ssp. true, but do any of them exhibit the colors of a WC Brooksi? Is anybody working with loacality specific Brooksi? I understand the markets demand for all the morphs, but I think it's really sad if the only ssp. "true" bloodlines were only used to produce morphs now.
-Phil

email me.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

this guy was 62" and weighed 1.2 kg. het for nothing but good looks.
I will have to email you a full body pic as I don't have one in my KS account.

daveb

This is a male I had a while back, I never measured him accurately but he easily doubled over in my 3ft holding tub. I didnt have him for long and know nothing about his past as I got him as an adult. This is him on our sofa.

Mark:

Not a Morph,but since he shed today and looks wunnerful,you inspired me to take a few pics of my big guy.

For size comparision,it's a 36" tank, and 7" water bowl,and he was not laying flat.....

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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

Hi Mark, I am not home, so I can't get you a real recant pic of the Hypo FL I got from you in Daytona in '05, but I am confident he'll be every bit of 5 feet someday. He eats like a horse. Here's one from a few monthes ago. He's Holding his color nicely. These 2 pics are about 2 years apart. Derek

Guess no one has one, so they don't exist.

Jason

I once asked for a "real deal" brooksi pics and got similar (lack of ) response.
I was just curious ya know. I haven't seen a large FL king in some time...
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

here is the real deal. Incapsulated for 15 years in morphs I never outbred. Triple het with all the genes from the tables of brooks kings dating back 15 years ago. Exactly how they used to be sold as high white s. florida brooksi.

It does not get any better than this.

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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I underdtand what you're sayin here Rainer.
Have you seen a baby wc brooksibefore?
Ones I saw from wc gravid females still had some red..
That guy is gonna be a smoker I bet.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

The reddest ones that I used to see where not from the canal stock. But Bob Fengya did have some and i also beleive that there are some high red brooksi from s dade co . Matter of fact I just bought a pair from sunshine serpents.

Basically the white ones with small heads (as adults) were the surest way to tell the brooksi apart from the others which have more yellow, brown and red xantophores.

Thats why i refer to the New England line as axanthic and the BHB line as anerythristic. The ones with red/brown are more red and therefore lack red , hence anerythristic for peninsular forms and "axanthic" for brooksi forms. [of course nobody uses these differentiations)

But in reality most mphs are mixed these days and few (if any) ...(except mine) rtrace back to the original brooksi locales. I also have some that are not like the T neg, lavender ect are not at all brooksi but floridana.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

How about this one?

Brandon Osborne

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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

I'll have to get some pics of my male Sulfur. He's at least 5'. I had some hypos and axanthics that were very large as well.....too bad I sold them. I'll have to get a new pic of my original white female too. She's a big'n.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

What morph is that Brandon?
I just measured my male hypo and he's just over 5' and my largest mahogany is around 62" as well.
I may bring him to Daytona to sell...
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Mark, that girl was a DH Ghost produced by Dave Boyle. She was easily 5' and weighed around 4-5 lbs. She pounded med. rats and produced 22 egg clutches. I sure do miss some of those snakes.

Brandon
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Wow how weird. I have a 2xhet/ghost from him too. In fact I'm waiting on her eggs to hatch. Wish me luck. I bred her to another 2x het/ghost.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

got this at a small snake shop way down in south Fl. as an adult brought to them by a local,so i cant say for sure its wild

There is something i like about that snake.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I've found several in the wild over the past few years that were at, or exceeded five feet.

Ha, just kidding

Thanks. I knew you had found some wild ones.
I was actually looking for pics the largest morphs since all I remember seeing are animals around 4'-5' or less.
Someone must have a big ol' male....??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

My '02 Hypo, measures in at JUST over 60" using Serpwidgets.....

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Ace