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I am getting better at pic's, when I get a real camera I bet
you I will get good at it.....Many pic's in this post are as
recent as yesterday and therefore new.

A few old ones where thrown in that I really like.....threw a few better black pine and white rat snakes for Bob....

For Dave, I will caption the entire post......

Jeff Clark female...DAMN that snake is nice !!!

My Albino reticulatus as a neonate....

some more recent pic's.....

Mikey...I love this little porker, only animal in my collection I named !!!!

My good friend Jim got a bit disappointed with his first time argentine project.

He only goy 8 live. Since he would still give me a few I opted
out so he can take in some moo la. I told him I get some next time when you get a good sized litter....

my friend Jim's JCP that I have been trying to get him to part with!!! NOT happening, he said for my pair Dumeril's
he would think about it....he will just have to wait and see if
I breed them successfully....he cannot have them lol...

One of my JCP females...

one of my male JCP...

my hybrid JCP...( diamond )

John Cherry / Lloyd Lemke line Black Pines...

repeat for BOB...

Blotchless Everglades rat snake (RIP)

BCI my friend gave me this year from his first boa litter...

Me and my friend John's Jointly owned coastal carpet...also the dark bci is ours as well...( which means anything that is made from these two snakes is a 50/50 split...

One of my yellow conda's...

Texas rat snake morphs...first one was wild caught and it escaped several years ago...

one of my friend Jim's bloods. I recently gave him a male and he picked up a mate for it at an Alabama show...here she is...

Very nice albino, but due to spatial issues I was forced to leave it there...( kicks small stone...DAMMIT )

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Loved the pics and I was wondering about your friend's argentines Frank, did he cool them and how low did he get the temps to cool them cuz I thought you needed like low 60's for those and maybe that contributed to something I don't know all the details but I like them. Rat snakes were awesome and the albino dolphin, I only live a couple of hours away from it supposedly so I could have fed it every now and then for you but space how a lot to do with your decision huh
Bob

not sure on the argentines.

>>Loved the pics and I was wondering about your friend's argentines Frank, did he cool them and how low did he get the temps to cool them cuz I thought you needed like low 60's for those and maybe that contributed to something I don't know all the details but I like them. Rat snakes were awesome and the albino dolphin, I only live a couple of hours away from it supposedly so I could have fed it every now and then for you but space how a lot to do with your decision huh
>>Bob
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

i really like those adult jungles lol trade him you know you wanna come to the dark side my friend come to the dark side lol.

I already got a few (3, not 2, that would be a couple)jungles, just gatta grow them up...

>>i really like those adult jungles lol trade him you know you wanna come to the dark side my friend come to the dark side lol.
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

who wants babies get the adults lol yeah you got some nice carpets over there i think i may have to sneak over there one day and "borrow" them lol and your white phase albino is smokin as always

I do not often buy adult snakes, they can sometimes be problematic because of their reproductive biology.

Chronobiology.

( I put a link at the bottom of the page for those who may be interesed in such intel in redards to Chronobiology. )

Once a snakes biological rhythms are set, it could take several years to "reprogram" them.

One is much better off and twice as likely to succeed, in regards to their reproductive results, if he / she obtains the animals before they hit sexual maturity.

Even species of the same clade could have two different biological rhythms depending where they are located in the world.. Which would lead to unsatisfactory reproductive results ( wasted breeding effort ).

In my opinion temperatures from the previous year also takes its part in the reproductive biology of most squamates. ( as far as I know this has only been documented in garter snakes whose location is Manitoba Canada )

Another reason is as follows :

How am I supposed to know if your husbandry practices are or where in the best interest of the snake ?

Why you offloading it ?

Failed breeding attempts ?

Problem feeder ?

I trust very few people in this hobby.

I had a good gut feeling about Jeff Clark's honor and integrity and that's the only reason I purchased those snakes.

I also noticed he is not exactly a neophyte in regards to the proper husbandry of a plethora of different species.

I have personally purchased adult snake from only 3 different people.

Two deals went well the other one I rather not discuss it.

But I will, I purchased 2 pythons from this guy in the early 2000's. Respiratory infection and mites.

When I called him, he said, it must have gotten cold during the
transport...

Hey asswipe...

Snakes do not get that bad of a respiratory infection in less then 24 hours. One lived and one of those pythons died.

Mites....

Courtesy call to tell him he has mites, he says, that is impossible, you must have had them already.

"I run a clean shop."

RICHARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Tim, I do know you did not mean that comment literally...but it reminded me of someone....
Chronobiology

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Hey Frank does your rant pretty much include both sexes or more preferrably females? The reason why I ask is that most male species are horny by nature and if they have a willing female then bam right. Cuz it is always up to the females right since the guys are down with anything (j/k ladies) but more importantly don't the female start putting off those irresistable pheromones and then the guys go along or is it more complex than that you think? I know good husbandry skills are in ? also and maybe sometimes they couldn't get them to breed but does that mean they won't breed at all cuz I read on Brasher Reptiles that he couldn't get his male to breed until he was like 7 or something which sounds like a long time and I have also read Jeff Ronne on an occassion or two that couldn't get a couple to breed for awhile maybe 5 years old but that's the breeding process though I understand and if it was easy then everyone would be doing but this got long fast so I'll stop here and if you don't answer every ? then the hell with you I'll find a new buddy
Bob

Bob,
...I think that there are many times where a male snake will get a whiff of the females pheromones and mate even though he has not been properly cycled and is not carrying mature ready sperm cells. This seems to be most common with Boa constrictor imperator, the recreational sex leaders of all the snakes. I think Frank is on the right track with his ideas about chronobiology. I have many females that have laid their babies within a day or two of the same delivery date one or two years earlier. I am very very reluctant to buy snakes more than 2 years old. Why would someone want to get rid of a potential breeder they have invested so much time and effort into?
Jeff

>>Hey Frank does your rant pretty much include both sexes or more preferrably females? The reason why I ask is that most male species are horny by nature and if they have a willing female then bam right. Cuz it is always up to the females right since the guys are down with anything (j/k ladies) but more importantly don't the female start putting off those irresistable pheromones and then the guys go along or is it more complex than that you think? I know good husbandry skills are in ? also and maybe sometimes they couldn't get them to breed but does that mean they won't breed at all cuz I read on Brasher Reptiles that he couldn't get his male to breed until he was like 7 or something which sounds like a long time and I have also read Jeff Ronne on an occassion or two that couldn't get a couple to breed for awhile maybe 5 years old but that's the breeding process though I understand and if it was easy then everyone would be doing but this got long fast so I'll stop here and if you don't answer every ? then the hell with you I'll find a new buddy
>>Bob

not always some1 is lookin to get rid of there adult due to problems yes im sure alot of times it is but not always. and jeff as far as you sayin about laying the same time from same girl at diff years. my ball python girly has laid eggs now this is her second year and it literaly was within days of her previous times clutch. i think its kinda cool actually lol.

I was thinking along the lines of coral albinos and I know you hate the morphs but bare with me for a second. What if you have a clutch of albinos and some are showing pink heads right off the bat and some aren't which is a good indicator of which ones will be outstanding (try not chuckle on me Jeff) and which ones won't be as nice so to speak. If all of the clutch doesn't sell theses aren't really the ones to be dumping off to pet shops or selling in quantity so you hold on to them with intentions of selling them when th coraling is looking good which starts at 6 months and continues for years. I wouldn't want to practice incest or line breeding so I just plan on growing it and maybe selling it later when it grows up a little but have no plans to breed it myself cuz I doubt I will have a variety of males and females from a lot of sources like some people I know (Dave's that you) and I only want to have a few litters a year but some special ones so what is your thoughts on that Jeff if you don't mind. Delivery date within days of one another is very interesting and sharing little tidbits like that make this forum awesome and I knew there was a reason I couldn't go to sleep tonight
Bob

I don't know that I subscribe to that notion. Not saying it doesn't happen and definately not saying they don't get set into a cycle for breeding and relocation could throw off that cycle. But I am saying from my history while there are dates that seem to support the similar date theory, each animal that does have a pair of similar dates also has dates that are further apart. I think part of it is our inducing breeding based on our timelines and the fact that our individual breeding seasons are limited. My sucessful litters have 50% occured in August, 25% in September, 20% in October and 5% in November.
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Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

or so it seems, which means they can be manipulated to breed at different times of the year. So if I raised a snake, lets say a male, to maturity and set its biorhythm.

I then in turn get an adult female from you that has a set rhythm ( BTW...which would explain why they deliver about the same time yearly ). I buy said female and guess what, they are NOT fertile at the same time of the year, this WILL take some time to get their "set rhythms" to line up properly to produce viable offspring.

Regardless of breeding windows of success, why do most snakes become gravid and deliver in a very narrow period of time, yearly, biennially, or whatever ?

Almost all data indicates they have set biorhythms

I believe this a FACT not an opinion. They are not however etched in stone. They can be changed through temperature cycling, but this can take more than one season to achieve.

I believe this to be the problem with some adult imports, not the only problem, but a major one.

From what I understand Burmese Pythons usually breed in a narrow period, all the same, no matter where they are, indicating they are highly seasonal in their reproductive biology. Just the opposite of BRB's.

Aseasonality also explains why all of us breeding this species get babies at different times, especially if our climates are a lot different, also temp cycling in captivity can be manipulated in aseasonal snakes to get offspring sometimes more than once per year or at a different time of year, even if we live right next to each other. (documented in carpet pythons)

I have hibernated colubrids during the summer ( used a refrigerator )and bred them and had eggs hatch before people where even putting theirs down.

Nice to have babies when NO ONE else does!!!!!

It works, harder with boids, but if an aseasonal snakes temps can be controlled it can be accomplished as well.

I believe we have MUCH to learn about our captives.

Artifacts of the captive environment are CRITICAL in most snakes reproductive cycles. I could subject a snake to the wrong temperatures and easily foil all my efforts at reproducing the species several months down the road.

I am extremely interested in successful breeding data from Australia. Most data indicates there is an offset of 5 to 6 months when compared to US data. This could indicate that most boa's and python's appear to be aseasonal in reproductive habits.

I have been searching high and low for successful reproductive results of Burmese Pythons from Australia. If the clustering matches US data, then that taxon of snake would be truly seasonal in reproductive habits. If there is an offset, then they are aseasonal and climatic conditions can influence when they become reproductively viable. So if any of you have any data on the said species please share the wealth.

Comments from the peanut gallery welcome....
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

my name and a spiecial note was at the bottom of a post thanks looks like your back on the christmas list with a pile of flaming poop lol. that was a nice lil ol rant there very very true at that.

if he doesn't want you to have that jungle carpet python i'll take it off his hands for him
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Tim

0.1 Colombian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Albino Motley Corn
1.0 Black cat

Dang you are getting better at this pic thing, when you finally do get a real camera, watch out!!! I bet you flood us with spectacular pics!!!

And thanks for the captioning, I for one would not have known what several of those were without you telling me.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

will flood us with pics when he gets his "real" camera as is he doesn't post enough already but no complaints on my end though. After I pic up a few more acquisitions then I will get one myself
Bob

>>Dang you are getting better at this pic thing, when you finally do get a real camera, watch out!!! I bet you flood us with spectacular pics!!!
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>>And thanks for the captioning, I for one would not have known what several of those were without you telling me.
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research