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A thayeri tail

wftright Aug 14, 2007 09:32 PM

Except for my initial two acquisitions, I've alwasy started every snake on paper substrate when they arrive at my home. I like a more naturalistic vivarium, but with a new snake, I like to be able to see things easily. I've had my first thayeri for a month or so, but I still have him on paper.

To give him an extra hide and a little bit more naturalistic place to go every so often, I took a food "dish" made for a parrot cage, filled it with spaghnum moss, and left it in the cage. This device is actually a pretty nice hide for a young thayeri. The top of the dish gives a more sheltered feeling, but the opening is large enough for me to remove the snake if I wish. When I fill the dish with moss, he feels comfortable hiding inside.

Tonight, I found him hiding, but he didn't get everything hidden. I walked into the living room and saw this little orange tail sticking up from the moss. I hope you get as good a laugh as I did.

Bill


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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

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MichelleRogers Aug 14, 2007 10:47 PM

and very cute pic' thanks for sharing both.
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Michelle
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

wftright Aug 15, 2007 12:07 AM

I was walking through the living room again and again found him doing something funny. In this case, he's climbing the thermostat probe.

Bill


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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

CSRAJim Aug 15, 2007 07:16 AM

Bill,

That's cool...thanks for the photo. Could this tail "incident" be an attempt at Thayeri tail lure fishing?

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

wftright Aug 16, 2007 08:21 PM

When I saw him, I thought the same thing.
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

vichris Aug 15, 2007 07:59 PM

Bill,

I'm glad to see your enjoying Rockets exploits. He looks to be very happy in his new home. What kind of substrate do you plan on using once you move him off the paper? When do you plan on taking him off the paper? His enclousure looks very appealing.

On a side note I showed this white MSP the picture you posted of Rocket and she got so excited that she ate a whole F/T pinky and now has a nice lump in her mid-section. She has a good feeding responds.


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Vichris
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"- Marcus Aurelius

Vichris Variables

wftright Aug 15, 2007 09:27 PM

Chris,

My long term strategy for Rocket is to give him something similar to what I've given my California Kingsnake. Based on recommendations from folks here on KS.com (and my own tendency to fiddle with ideas), I spread two sheets of newspaper across his entire cage, cover the paper with a thin layer of small bark substrate, and cover the cool side of the cage with a large mound of shredded coconut substrate (Eco Earth or similar). The thin layer of paper and bark on the warm side means that my heaters aren't pumping heat into material that is too insulated for heat to escape. He has hides over the heaters, so he can bask on warm substrate while hidden. The large mound (2 bricks) of Eco Earth on the cool side means that he has a volume of substrate in which to burrow. I think that my CalKing has better muscle tone than some others that I've seen, and I wonder whether the chance to burrow is keeping him strong. Burrowing would seem to be good exercise for a snake, so I like providing that option. I've also found that he can deal with things by burrowing. When he's getting ready to shed, he just disappears into the "dirt" for a week and emerges when he's finished. The substrate also tends to buffer temperature changes, so I believe that he'd handle an unexpected extreme in my house more easily if he had the substrate in which to hide.

Because Rocket is still small, I don't want to put an entire brick of Eco Earth in his cage. If I did, I'd never find him when I needed to clean, feed, or just say hello. I don't know how big I'll want him to be before I make his cage more like my CalKing cage.

My next step on Rocket's cage will likely be to use some big water bowls as containers for the Eco Earth. I have one on order, and if it fits as I hope, I may be adding it in a week or so. In that case, he'll have a paper substrate over most of the cage but also have bowls full of shredded coconut substrate where he can go to burrow. If I need to find him, I can just remove the bowl and pour the substrate through a screen. I'm thinking about getting some of that textured Kraft paper to use as the paper base. That paper has a nice look, and if I wrinkle it a little bit, I think it will give me a little bit of a natural look. Another possibility is to use brown reptile carpet. In any case, I think this setup would strike a good balance among meeting his basic needs, looking nice in my living room, and being easy to clean. If I liked the setup enough, maybe I'd keep it as his permanent setup.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

wftright Aug 16, 2007 12:17 AM

This little guy eats well for me. I use the bag method, and he's adapted to it very well.

PS. The white stuff is a little bit of calcium dust. I dust a pinkie about once a month. Tonight, I'd put the pinkie in the lid of a container that I had used to dust, and some calcium got on the mouse. I'm probably underfeeding a little bit. I can never gauge when they have too big or too small a bulge.
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

APLAXAR Aug 16, 2007 08:07 AM

first off great looking snake, second i dust also once a month with pinkies. as for the food bump, as long as you can see it but it doesnt look way bigger then the thickness of the snake i feel that is a good way to judge.

Adam
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vichris Aug 16, 2007 12:37 PM

This summer I was out on a hunting trip in the desert here in NM. I was headed back to my camp in the evening when I came across an atrox (diamondback) on the side of a dirt trail. I kick myself for not having my camera with me. The guy had just finnished eating what I presume was either a juvie jack rabbit or a full grown cottontail rabbit. The atrox was essentialy dragging the lower half of his body because the meal was so huge. I could not believe how big a meal he had consumed. By the time I got back to camp it was to dark to got back but I did go back the next morning. I never did see him again.
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Vichris
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"- Marcus Aurelius

Vichris Variables

MichelleRogers Aug 18, 2007 09:05 AM

Thanks for sharing it.
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Michelle
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

wftright Aug 16, 2007 08:21 PM

Thanks for the comments.

My problem is that I look at the food, look at the snake, and think, "Okay, here's the size I need to leave a visible bump without overwhelming my snake." Unfortunately, by the time the snake swallows the food, I almost always realize that I've overestimated the food, and the snake is left with almost no visible bulge. By the time I start to get the size right for any given snake, the snake has grown, and I'm still feeding him something that is too small for his current size. Food size is the weakest part of my husbandry, but I don't think I'm missing by enough to hurt the snakes in any way. I'm not trying to be a breeder, so I don't need to optimize growth. I just want my snakes to be comfortably fed and healthy.

I'm certainly going to move this guy up to a small fuzzy for the next feeding. He's inhaling the pinkies so easily that I'm sure that a fuzzy will be fine for him.

Bill
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It's not how many snakes you have. It's how happy and healthy you can keep them.

KenCasstevens Aug 17, 2007 04:14 AM

The way I usually judge Thayeri babies is I feed them pinks until they get as big as my pinkie finger. Then I move up to fuzzies, or hoppers.
Chris, hearing that story reminds me of an old, old, old balck, and white film clip of a safari where the guys had caught something pretty large (can't remember what now- it's been about 15-20 years since I saw it), and had it in a cage in their camp. When they woke up in the morning a huge snake (retic I think) had got into the cage, and swallowed it. The lump had to be sticking out at least 2 ft on each side. It must have taken him all night to get that huge meal down. If I remember right he couldn't even get out of the cage. Does anyone else remember seeing that clip? The clip itself is super old, and the film quality isn't that good.
Ken

waspinator421 Aug 16, 2007 12:48 AM

Thats cute!
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Aubrey Ross

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