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Bred my male Lavender to an Albino a few years back. This year I bred him to one of his siblings which is a double het (Lavender & Albino).

Kerby...

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I bred the male Lavender to one of his "offspring" which is a double het (Lavender & Albino).

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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when you bred the 2x(Lavender X Amel) pairs did you produce a visible double albino? i figured it should be masked being that the t- would eliminate the presence of the Tyrosinase... but i could be wrong?

what did u produce from that pairing... did u hold back any?

thanx

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

One way to find out -

2x het X amel.
hold back some of the homo amel offspring which will be 50% het lav.
Cross those amel back into lav - any lav produced must be 100% het amel.

then line breed the homo lav het amel.

3/4 should be homo lav 66% het amel and 1/4 should be double homo and look different than lav (since it is unlikely that lav would mask amel). If they look like regular amel then you have proven amel masks that lavender line. If they look different than amel then you have proven amel doesn't and you have a visual double morph.

2x het X 2x het can only be definitive if amel does not mask lavender, but the method above should tell you either way.
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After I bred the Lavender x Albino a few years ago...I kept 1.3 of those double hets (lavender & albino)

Last year I bred those 1.3 back to each other. In each of the three clutches I had an obvious Lavender and an obvious Albino. I did keep some of those Lavenders that are possible het Albino.

Next year one of those Lavender/possible het Albino female will be big enough to breed.

Next year I could: Breed her to an Albino producing babies that will be 100% double hets...and "IF" she is a Lavender that is het for Albino...then I should get some Albinos and that would prove that she is a Lavender 100% het for Albino. And the babies that are Albino will be 100% het for Lavender. Then I could take one of those male Albinos 100% het for Lavender and breed it back to the Lavender 100% het for Albino.

Of course I could also take the 1.1 Lavenders/possible het for Albino and breed them back to each other and HOPE that they are BOTH het for Albino...

Kerby...

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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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I don't really get what you are going for with this project. I mean I'm all for playing with genetics, but the odds on these are saying that you have probably already gotten a homozygous lavender albino and not even known it... Whats the point?

Why did they breed an amel to an anery in the corn world?
Did they know AHEAD OF TIME what the results would be (Snow Corn) ?

Why did they breed an albino to a hypermelanistic in the cal king world? Did they know AHEAD OF TIME what the results would be (Blizzard cal king) ?

Zach, I developed a matrix with every recessive gene on it...in the hopes in the future to produce LOTS of possible outcomes. My problem is that I don't have 20.20 of every recessive gene to statistically speed up the process. Also as we know cal kings have smaller clutches than corn snakes and it isn't always QUICK to seek the desired results.

Producing a cal king that displays both Lavender and albino at the same time will be nice to breed it to a cal king that displays both Ghost/Palomar and Hypermelanistic/Mendota at the same time...producing babies that are 100% quad hets. I think we some possibilities there.......

Next year I will be breeding some triple hets (albino/lavender/hypermelanistics) back to each other.

So just the fact that we are asking ourselves what would an Albino/Lavender look like is good enough reason for me to keep trying. In the corn world did everyone know AHEAD of time what an amel/anery would look like and know AHEAD of time that it would be called a snow?

I am on the verge of producing some cool stuff in cal kings that have never been produced before (not that I am aware of). Of course in the process I have wholesaled a lot of double hets.. LOL Maybe someone will be posting here that they bred 2 normal looking cal kings together and produced some wild stuff...now how could THAT have happened? LOL

Kerby...
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Lonesome Valley Reptiles
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Breeding a hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) to a Ghost/Palomar het for albino.... what would pop out?

Kerby...

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As of today, no one person has been able to explain this.

Lots of reasons to breed albinos to Lavenders as well.

Kerby...

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I guess you are right. I was not thinking bigger picture, it was late.

i say you hold onto the obvious T- amels (if u breed the 2x hets again)

Breed the holdback T- to lavenders... if you get all lavenders from ANY one of those clutches you'll have your double albino!

May seem like much but it'd work...

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

>>Then I could take one of those male Albinos 100% het for Lavender and breed it back to the Lavender 100% het for Albino.

But then you would still get 1/4 albino het lav, 1/4 lave het albino and 1/4 double albino, so how would you tell the double albino from the albino het lavs?

I think I would breed Lav het albinos to each other, any offspring from such a pairing that looked t-neg albino would be double albinos. Unless of course they looked like something completly different.

Best,
Vinny
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That I could breed the 1.1 Lavenders that are possible het for albino. I won't know if they are het until I use them in breeding projects.

I'm not sure what a cal king will look like that displays both Lavender and albino at the same time.

Kerby...
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