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Mixed info - I need advice

MarcusR Aug 19, 2007 12:48 AM

I picked up my Red Tail on Wednesday from a lady who had her since November. I have her in a 20 long right now w/screen top and a towel over the top, she's 2'2". I have read through the book and searched many many online forums.

I have a small UTH on the tank now and I'm just not confident that its doing enough. I would say its about 4"x4" and I have a hide over it. The substrate is a small gravel, which was recommended by Pets A Plenty here in Houston (where snake was originally purchased). The thermometer, mounted about 1" off the floor is reading about 78-80* during the day with no heat lamp. Turn on the heat lamp and I get up to almost 90*. Cool side is closer to 75-78 with the head lamp.

I have another UTH that will cover about 60% of the bottom and I'm wondering if I use that and no heat lamp what I'll get. Is this a bad idea and will it cancel any hopes of a "cool" side?

Looking for the best for the snake, dont want to experiment with it, I want it comfortable. She isn't moving much at this point but is very very active if I take her out. I understand thats normal???

Also, she ate on Wed and hasn't had any excrement, how long should it take?

Thank you so much for trying to help. I'm sorry for the newb questions, I've tried to avoid them.

Replies (9)

AshLopez Aug 19, 2007 03:04 AM

How hot is your room.

Keep the small UTH.and the Heat lamp.

You will need them both FOR SURE in the winter.

The cool side sounds Perfect.

Take the Hide off the Heat Pad. and put it just of to the side with the edge a little over the heat. or next to it.

Try using a lower wattage bulb or ceramic heat for the lamp durring the summer.

You may need a bigger wattage in the winter.

Save your money and buy a Infared heat gun.That way you know for sure how hot it is.

Don't worry everything sounds good.It's always Trial and Error until you get things right.

The snake also knows exactly how hot he/she wants to be.

Believe me if it was cold it would sit directly on the heat.

If your boa does that and stays on the heat all the time...Then it's too cold and you have to increase the heat.

Good luck.
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SoCal-619 Aug 19, 2007 03:13 AM

First of all want to say Thank You! Thanks for taking the time and effort to research to proper way to care for a baby boa. Far too many times I see post asking how to fix problems that come from bad husbandry or lack of knowledge. Don't be afraid to ask questions and this forum can be a wealth of knowledge.

I don’t consider boas to be a "hard" snake to keep but, there are a few key requirements.

1. Heat- You want to offer the snake a temperature gradient. The cool side should be around 80 degrees and the hot spot around 90 degrees. This will vary a few degrees depending on who you ask but its close. Under tank heaters are a good choice because it offers "bell heat" which I consider to be more effective than radiant heat, i.e. heat lamp. They also don’t spread the heat very far, what I mean by that is if the heater is 4"X4" that’s pretty close to what the hot spot will be. You do have to be careful to regulate the heater with some type of thermostat or rheostat to achieve your desired temperature.

2. Hides- I read that you placed the hide over the hot spot, if possible try to also add one to the cool spot. Often times babies will be more worried about staying hidden that paying attention to thermoregulation (maintaining the right temps). Try not to place a baby in a huge tank, they easily become overwhelmed and focus on hiding.

3. Humidity- Try to maintain it around 60%. Buy a small hygrometer and place it in the tank, you can adjust it by misting with a water bottle and covering different amounts of the screen lid with a towel like you stated. This will take some time to dial in.

4. Substrate- Get rid of the pebbles, the problem with this is the possibility of ingestion and impaction. Paper towels, newspaper, these are both readily available and cheap! They are easy to clean and will work fine as a substrate. If you want something a little more aesthetic you can try shredded aspen or cypress bedding. Stay away from cedar due to the toxic oil it naturally has. If you do use bedding I would personally not feed on it until the snake is around 3 feet or so (again this is my opinion and will vary depending who you ask). I personally use paper towels for the babies and corrugated brown paper/newspaper for the adults.

5. Feeding- Feed him/her every 7-10 days with a meal that is roughly the size of the snake’s girth. If you can I would suggest frozen thawed rodents, they are easier, usually cheaper, and pose no threat to your snake. Each snake is different but I’ve noticed that most of mine poop about every 10 days, you’ll learn the routine after a while. It seems that mine always like to drop their loads right after I clean their cage...go figure lol!

6. Things to watch for- They should always shed in one nice long piece, if it gets patchy and starts to flake off in pieces something is not right.

Respiratory Infections- this is generally the result of low temperatures and will present itself with wheezing to bubbles coming from the nose/mouth of your snake.

Mites- pesky lil critters that are like fleas to dogs. They will look like tiny black bugs crawling on your snake. These are THE ENEMY! Bad for one snake BAAAAAD for big collections.

Wow that was longer thank I thought, sorry bout that! These are just things that have worked for me over the past years and I am by no means and expert or a big professional breeder. I hope this helps and please don’t hesitate to ask any questions you might have, your snake is depending on you.

Good luck and have fun!

fgs Aug 19, 2007 10:49 AM

As an experienced breeder I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to give what I think is very sound and simple advice.

Along with that great explanation is a photo of a beautiful sunglow.

Thanks for sharing

Brian Gundy
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SoCal-619 Aug 19, 2007 02:09 PM

Thanks Brian, just glad to be able to help. Ill have to call you we haven't talked in a while,how have things been?

fgs Aug 19, 2007 11:51 PM

Things have been great.

With a little luck 2008 should be a lot of fun.

Brian
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munchkins Aug 19, 2007 08:34 AM

directly on top of the hot spot. It has to measure the surface temp, not the air temp. You have to put it right on the glass (or whatever you have down there). I also agree with getting rid of the small gravel. You can go with aspen (not pine or cedar, as they give off harmful fumes), newspaper or paper towels instead of the gravel. Do you have a hide spot on the cool side? If not, your snake will have to make a choice about whether to feel safe or to thermoregulate. Remember that your hide spots should be tight for the snake. They like to feel the sides on them, so if they are too big, it is not as effective.
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charmer Aug 19, 2007 02:11 PM

Just wanted to say the same as everybody else I guess, that I think it is a great sign for the hobby that you are researching proper husbandry and generally, caring about your boa! Congrats on accomplishing the biggest step, asking for experienced opinions, I wish everyone was open minded enough to do so!
I can't agree more with the great advice people here have given you... I'd like to actually repeat one of the things that several already mentioned and rant a little in reference! Toss the gravel! I may sound narrow-minded for not considering the positive uses of gravel, but I can't believe what I've heard recommended by Pet Shops lately! Boa on gravel? Seems silly to me, they aren't fish! Gravel won't hold humidity, is rough, and probably isn't a natural bedding for them in the wild! Agh! I can't help but wonder if there is a reason for some of these suggestions given by pet stores. I worked in one that would recommend the cheapest things just to sell the big 'product', IE the snake; or try to sell the most expensive things with the snake knowing the person really wanted to make sure the snake was taken care of, things that weren't even necessary, like UV lighting! Gravel isn't all that harmful and is easily replaced, but it makes me wonder... what other information is being passed out, that may really do damage to the snakes being sold, or the hobby itself.
Man, I am really cynical!

Good luck with your boa, thanks for being brave enough to post, and if you wanted the best info, from breeders, they are all here and top of the line!
Take care,
Stephanie Siebert

MarcusR Aug 20, 2007 12:57 AM

Thank you all for the info. I did a little "experimenting" today with the light and while it was on for about an hour the temp rose to almost 92. Turned it off and the temp fell to about 85. I left for a while, came back and checked it and the temp was down around 80. Its about 78 now that its dark. I live in a newer built house and even with the AC vent closed and the door shut the room still stays relatively cool.

I am changing my substrate tomorrow from the gravel. I honestly thought the gravel was a strange choice as well when they told me to use it. Stranger than that, the guy who referred it has one of the largest collections in the Houston area from what I know. He has Gaboon Vipers, cobras, you name it more or less. ultimatereptiles.com is his site.

If I take the gravel out and put say, Bounty paper towels down, is it dangerous to run the under tank heater? I would think that could be a fire hazard, but I suppose it would have to get about 500-600 degrees to actually catch...LOL I think I answered my own question.

Thanks again for all the info. If you see something else that needs attention please point it out!

Should the snake be moving around much? She hasn't moved around much today, just kinda laying around. I'll go check her in a bit again.

SoCal-619 Aug 20, 2007 01:43 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about it moving around a lot. They are generally not as active as say a corn or kingsnake. Lethargic is another thing all together but as long as it is active when you handle it, it should be ok.

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