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His name is Zilla
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Josh Delaney

Delaney Colubrids

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From the pict I can really only say, lose the walnut crap and get it some real dirt.Dirt that will hold a burrow and humidity, not dry sandy junk.
I doubt it has enough of a gradient in that container. It seems too small to me. Plus if it is screen topped you are just cooking the little guy. Get something big enough to create a gradient of HOT spot in the 110-130 range and the cool end down to 75. Basic stuff others can add to.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

I read this and I dont believe I'm doing anything wrong.

Housing
In the long run, it is less expensive to buy an enclosure for your monitor to grow into, rather than to save some money and buy a small enclosure that will not last more than six months or so. Start with a thirty gallon tank at the least; a fifty-five or sixty gallon is even better. You will still need to quickly start planning the enclosure it will be housed in when full grown. At three feet long, it will require an enclosure at least six feet long (preferably longer) and eighteen inches wide. The taller it is, the less likely it will be able to climb out (and they are agile and persistent climbers!). Stay away from open-mesh enclosures as these monitors must be kept warm and, unless you live in a consistently warm environment yourself, it will be costly and complicated to get such an enclosure heated to the proper temperature.

Stay away from screen-sided or topped enclosures (hardware cloth tops are acceptable). Savannahs have incredibly sharp claws, and can easily shred a hole in screen. Make sure that the walls, floor and ceiling are securely attached to each other. If the savannah finds a weak spot, it will work at it and work at it until it works a hole just big enough for it to squeeze through. Along the same lines, keep the enclosure away from drapes, expensive lamps, computer equipment, etc. When taken out of it's enclosure, savannahs will scrabble around trying to hook their claws into anything they can.

Heat
Savannahs come from hot, dry environments--the savannahs of central and sub-Sahara Africa. The monitors found at the extreme south of the range experience cooler weather. If you live where it is very cold during the winter, the savannah may go through a short seasonal hibernation (but this is not to be encouraged; if it happens it happens, but always have the enclosure set at the proper temperatures). During the day, temperatures should range from 85-90 F (29-32 C). At night, it can drop about 10-15 degrees, to 75-85 F (24-29 C).

Heat should be provided in two ways: a subtank or sub-substrate heating pad under half the tank, and a basking area; eventually, you may wish to purchase a fiberglass pig blanket and connect it to a thermostat. Heat tapes, incandescent lights, ceramic heating elements are all suitable for providing heat. Use what ever combination is necessary to maintain the proper temperature ranges day and night, and without stressing the monitor at night by burning a white light for heat. A slightly more expensive way to heat the monitor is to keep the room warm, usually by use of a space heater.

Hot rocks may be used only for smaller monitors, and only when guarded against getting too hot (see the article on hot rocks for well-known problems associated with them). If using a hot rock, it should be connected to a thermostat to keep the surface temperature down to 85-95 F (29-32 C), not the 105 F (40 C) that the hot rocks typically reach.

Substrate
Brown butcher paper is the easiest and least expensive but rather uninteresting. Astroturf or indoor/outdoor carpeting is another possibility. Extra pieces may be kept on hand, already cut to fit, and popped in the tank while the soiled piece is removed for cleaning and disinfecting. Some keep their monitor on wood chips or bark (not cedar or redwood); others use a fine to medium pea gravel.

While these last two may be aesthetically appealing, there is danger that the monitor may accidentally ingest some of this substrate, causing impactions which may ultimately be lethal. Since male reptiles often evert their hemipenes, and both species may evert cloacal tissue when defecating, small particulate substrate can stick to the everted tissue, being drawn back up into the cloaca, causing injury and infection. Particulate substrates such as rock, pea gravel and bark are also be more difficult to clean and disinfect, and expensive to replace regularly.

Shelter
Savannahs like their privacy. Provide shelters at both ends of the gradient. Commercially available "caves" and half-logs work well for small monitors, but they become prohibitively expensive or impossible to find in a size suitable for full grown savannahs. Recycle cardboard tissue boxes or any other box into which your monitor will fit. The advantage of using such boxes is that they are easily and inexpensively replaced with bigger ones as your monitor grows. Larger monitors can be provided wooden shelters; they can be decorated with rock, mosses, bark, etc. to "dress" them up. Keep in mind that, when designing a naturalistic terrarium, monitors come from rather sere surroundings.

Lighting
Monitors, like other lizards, do best with ultraviolet B for calcium metabolism, and a regular photoperiod. Use a Vita-Lite or other UVB-producing fluorescent tube (not a plant or aquarium light) plugged into a household appliance timer. Set the timer to be one 10-12 hours a day, slightly less during the winter. Black- and very high output ultraviolet bulbs eyes can damage monitor eyes and cause immune suppression and so should be avoided. If you can provide real sunlight, either coming in through a window screen (not glass or Plexiglas), or in a semi-shaded secured area out-of-doors on a regular basis, you may be able to do without as much artificial supplementation.

Food
A healthy savannah will feed just about any time you offer food; one that does not willingly eat (and who is not in a seasonal hibernation or breeding season), then your monitor is very likely ill. Healthy, well-fleshed monitors can easily get through the hibernation and breeding season without any serious loss; sick monitors should not be allowed to go that long without food.

Hatchlings can be started on crickets, earthworms, Zoophoba ("king" worms) and pink mice. Feed insects that are no bigger than 2/3 the length of the lizard's head, and start on pinkies when the monitor is a couple of months old and have grown large enough for them.

As the hatchling grows bigger, switch to fuzzy mice. Savannahs are secretive, especially small ones who are prey for other, larger, animals. The exercise they get chasing the crickets is good for them, so do feed them crickets during this period as long as they will take them.

A small amount of high quality, low fat, canned dog food may be offered to scrawny hatchlings and juveniles, but do so to adults only when sick and they need extra calories. Better yet, use an food product made especially for for force-feeding or otherwise nutritionally supporting sick carnivorous animals, such as Hill's a/d. Better still, get sick savannah's to the reptile vet to be thoroughly checked out and make sure that the sick lizard is getting the right supportive care.

Warning:
With adults and younger savannahs, too much of even a good quality dog food and other commercially prepared non-whole prey foods may be harmful. Cat food should be avoided for all animals (other than cats) as it is very high in fat and other things that, depending on the non-felid species it is fed to, can lead to a host of other health problems. Healthy, prekilled rodents should ultimately be the staple food source in your monitor's regular diet. Hepatic lipidosis due to a high fat diet and too little exercise is an all too common disease - often a lethal one - in opportunistic feeders like savannahs and so care must be taken to focus the diet on whole prey other than as absolutely needed.

You can vary your savannah's diet with a variety of healthy invertebrate prey, such as kingworms, crickets, the occasional snail, etc. Too many wild-collected invertebrates, especially snails, can result in smelly, loose stools that are likely an artifact of the various parasites and other organisms commonly found living in and on snails. There is also the danger of any invertebrate you collect being contaminated with any of the environmental toxins you or your neighbors are using. Since toxins tend to bioaccumulate up the food chain, the top predators are the ones who suffer.

Whether you buy prey or collect or breed prey, you need to make sure they healthy. Housing each species properly in clean, uncrowded conditions, and feeding and hydrating them properly is just as important for the dinner as it is for the diner.

Normally, savannahs will not eat prey that is too big for them; if they do, it is usually regurgitated soon after. While this is not always harmful for the monitor (there is a risk of irritation due to stomach acid and being scratched by the prey's backward-facing teeth, claws and other sharp bodyparts), it is an incredibly aromatic experience for the keeper. Full grown monitors will eat full grown mice, small rats and small hamsters if you can't find gerbils, the latter being native to the savannah range. (Guinea pigs should be avoided due their very thick-and difficult to digest-skin and fur and their high fat content.) Venomous snakes and a variety of other wildlife native to the savannah's range are also on the wild savannah's diet. In captivity we are, at best, able to feed but a pale imitation of their natural diet. The trick is to make sure prey is healthy, the right size, and that your slug-a-bed monitor gets moving on a regular basis.

Feeding
Savannahs will easily eat prekilled prey. If you are using frozen prey, be sure to defrost it thoroughly and warm it slightly before offering it to the monitor.

For safety's sake, offer monitors their prey by dangling it from forceps or kitchen tongs. Wild caught lizards may take some time to convert to a strictly rodent diet; in the wild they have been found to consume a large variety of invertebrates, other reptiles, small animals of many types, snails, frogs, caterpillars, lizard eggs...even baby tortoises.

The greatest period of growth is within the first two-three hears, and this is the period when the greatest amount of food will be required. Feed hatchlings (up to one foot in length) one to four small mice or fuzzies (depending upon the monitor's size) every two-three days. If they were very emaciated and/or sick when you first got them, along with the visit to your reptile veterinarian, read the information in the Emaciation (Starvation) Protocol article to help aid recovery and get them through the initial weeks of acclimation stress. Otherwise, stick to whole prey, and be sure to time your invertebrate purchases so that you can house and feed (and provide water to) the inverts, especially crickets, for a day or so before you feed them out to your monitor. Crickets can be offered as long as they will go for them, using worms and pink mice (which come in different sizes) for variety.

Juvenile/Subadults (up to three feet in length) should be fed one to four mice twice a week. Prekilled whole prey may be injected with Nutri-Cal, Endura-Jel or other high calorie vitamin/mineral paste or gel formulated for dogs and cats (gently heat the gel to make it less stiff, then use a needle-less syringe can be used to suck it up and shoot it down the throat of killed prey.) for underweight youngsters or those recovering from illness or injury.

Adults (three or more feet in length) can be fed twice a week, adjusted as necessary based on weight gain and amount of exercise. Obesity in savannahs, a serious health condition caused by improper husbandry, is all too common in captivity. You will have to use your judgment, observing how the monitor looks, taking into consideration the temperature and amount of activity. Start with a couple of mice or weanling rats a week.

Due to a recent article that appeared in a herp hobbyist magazine, there has been much discussion on captive diets for savannahs, with many people unnecessarily - and possibly unadvisedly - switching their adult savannahs from rodents to insects. Michael Balsai and I recently discussed this matter; if you are interested, I have made them available in an article titled Michael Balsai on the Savannah Monitor Diet.

Water
Despite some accounts, savannahs do enjoy soaking. Provide them with a water bowl or tub big enough for them to submerge themselves (they can stay under water for extended periods of time). They will drink their water, and may defecate in it, so the bowl must be checked at least once a day to keep it clean and filled. Savannahs are also handy at tipping over water tubs, so make sure to use sturdy, bottom-heavy crocks or tubs.

Necessities
Some things you should have on hand for general maintenance and first aid include: Nolvasan (chlorhexidine diacetate) for cleaning enclosures and disinfecting food and water bowls, litter boxes, tubs and sinks etc. Betadine (povidone/iodine) for cleansing scratches and wounds. Set aside a food storage bowl, feeding and water bowls, soaking bowl or tub, even sponges, to be used only for your monitor.

Routine veterinary screening for newly acquired monitors is essential. Many of the parasites infesting reptiles can be transmitted to humans and other reptiles. Left untreated, such infestations can ultimately kill your monitor. When your lizard first defecates, collect the feces in a clean plastic bag, seal it, label it with the date, your name and phone number and the monitor's name, and take it and your monitor to a vet who is experienced with reptiles. Ask that it be tested for worms and protozoans, which are two different tests. If either test is positive, your monitor will be given medication given that you can repeat later at home. Not all vets are trained to treat reptiles, and not all reptile vets advertise themselves as such (and not all vets advertising themselves as such are). Check my Herp Vets page for lists.

Join your local herpetological society where you can meet other reptile owners, learn more about your monitor and find an experienced reptile veterinarian in your area.

Sources

Balsai, Michael. The General Care and Maintenance of Savannah Monitors. 1992. Advanced Vivarium Systems, Lakeside CA.

Balsai, Michael. Personal communication. 1998.

Bennett, Daniel. Monitor Lizards: Natural History, Biology and Husbandry. 1998. Viper Press, UK.

EMBL Reptile Database: Varanidae

Obst, F., et al. The Completely Illustrated Atlas of Reptiles and Amphibians. 1988. TFH Publications, Inc. Neptune City, NJ.

Reptile News Press. The Complete Guide to Keeping Monitors. 1992. Aurora, CO.

Sprackland, Robert G. Giant Lizards. 1992. TFH Publications, Inc. Neptune City NJ.

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Josh Delaney

Delaney Colubrids

>>I read this and I dont believe I'm doing anything wrong.

Except the humidity, the size of the enclosure for a heat gradient and the substrate.....nope, nothing. You wanted opinions and you want to ignore them off the bat? What point is there?
Right now you have a cute Savannah monitor oven...you will have a cooked baby soon. It will dehydrate and wither away, eat less and less and sorta stop wanting to live.
DIRT....deep enough to burrow in...like a half a foot minimum. That box is too SMALL .....there is no way the heat from the bulb can be warm enough and not have a cooking hot box everywhere else in there....you need more room to allow for a cool end.

Where in the world you got that they come from DRY is beyond me.Grasslands. Do a bit of looking at the SAVANNAH environment. ADD some burrows....like where monitors go to escape the cooking sun. That means humidity.

If you are worried about expense just chuck the monitor right now. They want a big enclosure and they want to eat. Crix, roaches, mice then rats. Do the math.
In that small box your monitor will not live six months....but it will ultimately save you money when it dies I guess. In six months mine outgrew 55 gallon sized enclosures. So I personally would work from there.

I don't know who would recommend paper under a monitor....but again....nothing to dig, no humidity.... DIRT. It is easy and cheap if you have a back yard and a shovel.
NOT dog food, whole prey items, crix, pinkies. Again, easy.
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Sonya

I'm not mean. You're just a sissy.
Happy Bunny

I found that here http://www.anapsid.org/savannah.html it’s a Melissa Kaplan care sheet. So you guys are saying all the referenced authors are wrong then?
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Josh Delaney

Delaney Colubrids

there is a LOT of backwards, ancient info out there. just get a copy of the Bennett Savannah Monitor book, available at our site, or on the classifieds, and follow it. it has state of the art care and husbandry info, and will provide you a very solid base.

also check out our caresheets and FAQ, lots of info there. best of luck.
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robyn@proexotics.com

Pro Exotics Reptiles

Those people are able to say whatever they want, and so is Everyone, but none of those people have had any success keeping monitors, Mellisa Kapland, only keeps a handful of the species she talks about on her website, and has had no great success even with the ones she keeps (except of course keeping them alive!) Find some people that have at least bred monitor lizards if you actaully want to learn something useful about them (Dont' take their word for it remember to ask for pictures of the eggs!)
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wow - let me just say that is a really terrible and sad monitor 'care-sheet'. I started to walk through it to point out incorrect and downright harmful information but soon realized you can toss it all...easier to start over than to even look at that mess again.

Please start at proexotics.com and read their monitor information, good basic stuff from Robyn and co. They know their stuff and have taken a lot of time to provide it for you. Then come back here and read everything FR has written, though after the first few dozen posts you'll get the gist of his message and pull out the basics. Here at ks you are fortunate enough to have access to the world's most succesful monitor keeper (by far) who tends not to be shy about providing his opinion haha.

Good luck, I still love savs, too bad most end up half dead toad looking blobs because of care sheets like the one you posted.

Tom

Hello,

I would opt to get him set up right asap. He will not live well in that environment and needs many provisions that are not available in that box. You may know all this already and if you are merely showing it off, it looks like a nice young sav. Best to you- Mike

What provisions will he need? Tell me what to do and I will do it.
Thanks
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Josh Delaney

Delaney Colubrids

Josh,

There is so much good information out there. Spend a little time doing some research. Your Sav will not last long in that set up.

1)Use dirt for the substrate, or at least a deep cypress mulch
2)Seal the top.
3)Use a single 50 watt R20 spot light for its heat. Position this 8-12" away from a plywood surface for basking.
4)Get a temp gun to zero in your basking temp.
5)Supply more hide areas

its all I can think of, its too early...