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Ok....so there seems to be some mis-information being passed around here, so Iam going to do what I feel is right and make it very clear for everyone to see what I am working with.....since secrets seem to screw things up....no more secrets...

This is the original Super Stripe Mom...as you can see she has an abbarent gold stripe.

Here is her 2004 F1 Specter son

Jared Horenstein

More non striped specters in 05.......Hmm.....maybe mom's stripe has nothing to do with it........

Jared

Wow....more non striped Specters in 2006?

Go figure....

JH

Guess whats hatching out now...........

You guessed it.......more non striped Specters........

THis is why I never showed pics of the project people......I was doing my research to see why the babies were not striped and mom was.....I didn't just come out and say I have a new genetic stripe animal that makes the SSYB's and mis-inform everyone of something I was admittidly unsure of until 2005..... I did not weant to have scammers selling normal gold striped snakes as Hets for SUperstripe and Rip off people of their hard earned money. I believe that a breeder should do the hard work and see it all the way thru....not Jump the gun like some other guy does.......and slap a name on whats has been worked on for years by other breeders.

Specters are easily identified visually and can be told apart from yellowbellies, yellowbelly sibs and normals in the same clutch. They are called Specters because they have a frosted look to them hence the name......Specter meaning a ghostly look.

Hope you can see what I see................and appreciate what years of hard work can help explain....remember we are still learning about these new mutations and some of us are trying to understand the inner working of them so that it is easily explainable instead of causing mass hysteria and confusion.

Jared Horenstein

wow! those are awsome bro! secret or no secret those freaking ROCK!! great job!!.......kudos........boadave

Nobody ever said anything about the Stripe on the Hets, that's something that you were trying to go by.. Some of the babies will have a broken Stripe some will not, it's the combination of the Mystery gene AND YB gene that makes the Stripe on the Super Stripe... It's the head, eyes, neck, coloration, AND BELLY that lets you identify the gene .. The mother of my line is a very stand out animal , you said so yourself. I was fortunate and had babies that looked like mom right away so it wasn't hard at all to tell which had the gene the mother was expressing. It will be interesting to see what happens when a Super Stripe is bred back to the Mystery gene or when a pair of Mystery genes are bred together to make the Super form..

Regardless of how this unfolds from here on out, I think you, Brian, Tom and myself have some very rare snakes that are not common to most collections and that we all should be thankful to have the gene instead of who did what first, it really isn't that big of a deal.. The important part is what can be done with each of them from here on out, that's what changes the future , who knows what other things this morph will do to other mutations... I'm tired of going back and forth about a silly name, I have been calling them ALL Super Stripes EVERY since I produced 3 SS's that were Identical to yours so I'm not sure why I'm made out to be the bad guy .. You agreed the Cyclone name was valid in the start as your female mom looked alot diffferent than mine, it wasn't until recently that it was confirmed to be the same thing.. The Mystery gene naming issue isn't worth causing unnecessary stress to any of us , you, Tom, Brian, Joe, Clint, And I ALL know what they look like as we own them , the rest of this is just details the way I see it.... Anthony McCain Reptiles....

When will we see "mystery gene x mystery gene"? Anyone doing it this year?

Jason

"Jared has yet to produce a carbon copy of mom as I already have , why do you think he had so much trouble picking out the morph, until I came along that is........I wish I would have NEVER showed him anything"

this was from the previous thread

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Thanks for sharing the information and congrats on your years of effort. You have produced some amazing Super Stripes.

Thanks for sharing the Specter photos.

Sincerely, Kyle

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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid" David Coverdale

Thanks Kyle.........much appreciated.

Jared H

Jared - have you been able to breed the specters to anything else or themselves?
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Tosha
JET Pythons

(CJBianco explaining the origins of the BP market.)
"In the beginning Bob created the Ball Python market. And the market was without morph, and wild traits were upon the industry. And Bob said, Let there be morph, and there was morph. And Bob saw the morph, that it was good; and Bob divided the morph from the wild trait. And Bob called the morph Albino, and the wild trait Normal. And the Albino and the Heterozygous Albino were the first investment.
-- Christopher 1:1-1:5"

Jared, there for a while I thought you were steering us wrong with the other half of the Super Stripe gene. I'm glad to see you were telling the truth man. You've got my respect.

Awsome snakes!

I have been doing this for a very long time........since it was fueled by curiosity....Some of us are driven to try to understand what we are working with long before we release it to the public....which is why I was soo secretive with the project at first......I wanted to be sure that when the time came to release it I was completely understood....

Im after more of a scientific explanation rather than a fat bank account...........always been that way.......I am not greedy. I dont need to exploit a project to get rich.......I would rather understand things first.....the right way.

JAred H

This year I bred F1 Specter to Yellowbellies, Pastels and Normals. In 2008 I am breeding Specter back to the original mom as well as to some 04 Specters, Cinnies, and a few other crosses.

Jared

Looks like a new projet for alot of us...
Kevin Stoltz
www.kmsreptiles.com