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i have an albino boa...WAY too young for breeding..shes just about a year old, so she has a while to go...

my question is:

she has a slight underbite...and i was totally against breeding her at all...but seeing some other posts, it made me second guess myself...

my reason for not wanting to breed her was that the albino gene is already a weak gene, as far as i know, and i did not want to weaken the gene pool anymore with a "defective" snake...

i bought her strictly for a pet...as with all my other animals...but as i am sure most of you have found...this hobby tends to become pretty expensive, and it would be nice to breed some of my animals and make a little profit (plus i've always wanted to see baby snakes born!)

what do you guys think?

to breed or not to breed? that is the question....

here's some pics of her:

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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.1.0 Albino Columbian Boa
1.0.0 Carpet Python
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
0.0.1 Aberrant California Kingsnake
1.0.0 Greek Tortoise
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 ?????? Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
2.2.0 Dogs
1.1.0 Cats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil
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Shed Your Fears!
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pics

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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.1.0 Albino Columbian Boa
1.0.0 Carpet Python
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
0.0.1 Aberrant California Kingsnake
1.0.0 Greek Tortoise
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 ?????? Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
2.2.0 Dogs
1.1.0 Cats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil
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Shed Your Fears!
http://www.freewebs.com/ShedYourFears

pics

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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.1.0 Albino Columbian Boa
1.0.0 Carpet Python
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
0.0.1 Aberrant California Kingsnake
1.0.0 Greek Tortoise
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 ?????? Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
2.2.0 Dogs
1.1.0 Cats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil
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Shed Your Fears!
http://www.freewebs.com/ShedYourFears

ANY animal with a physical imperfection, unless knowingly caused by injury, should NOT be bred due to the possibility of it being an inheritible trait.

I don't think that something like that is inheritable. I love her face though! She's awesome!
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George
1.0. Columbian Red Tail Boa (Madmartigan)
1.0. CA Nicaraguan Boa (Vader)
0.1. 66% Poss Het Albino Colombian Red Tail (Sorsha)
1.0. Albino Striped California Kingsnake (Pokey)
0.1. California Kingsnake (Noodle)

thanks for all the responses...

i was thinking about purchasing an anery het albino male to breed to her, if i do breed her...

i would love to breed her, she has a wonderful personality...

i will make the decision within the next few years...she is only a year or so old, so i figure i have anywhere from 2-4 years until she will be breedable...

what are the percentages i would get from an albino x anery het albino breeding?

...ps thanks GDeHavenIV !!! i think shes cute too

anyways,

thanks everyone!

jessica
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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.1.0 Albino Columbian Boa
1.0.0 Carpet Python
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
0.0.1 Aberrant California Kingsnake
1.0.0 Greek Tortoise
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 ?????? Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
2.2.0 Dogs
1.1.0 Cats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil
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50% double het snow and
50% albino het snow

So, do you have any imperfections?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

LOL...don't we all?

Yes there is a risk that you could have a litter of babies with problems, But then again ther is ALWAYS that risk. I have one with an underbite as well, not as obvious nas yours but still, a bit of one. Came from Pete Kahl and at the time his opinion was it should not be a problem. I do plan on breeding mine.

So, breed her if you like, BUT, you should make extra sure your male is as unrelated as you can get. Yeah, I know they are all related but a nice strong outcrossed male from a albino to non-albino would be perfect. And pay close attention to any babies to see if there are any problems including but lkimited to the underbite you know of, eye problems and other jaw/head irregularities. If she does throw less than perfect babies, then stop breeding her.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

She is a 2005 arabesque albino.....

This pic is when she was 1 year old (pic was used in John Berry's morph book)

This pic was a year later at two years old. (I know...crappy overexposed pic)

AS you can see, it's hardly noticeable, her pic on Pete's site showed it as being worse so I believe she is growing out of it somewhat.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Wait until she's older. This is a slight imperfection. You could get lucky and she'll grow out of it. I've seen normal boas that were born with that exact same problem. Most of them looked 100% normal, by the time they were 3 or 4 years old.

So is there any history of other imperfections in the siblings?

If there were lots of imperfections, 3 or more, then you might not want to breed her. If there weren'then wait and decide when the time comes.

>>Wait until she's older. This is a slight imperfection. You could get lucky and she'll grow out of it. I've seen normal boas that were born with that exact same problem. Most of them looked 100% normal, by the time they were 3 or 4 years old.
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>>So is there any history of other imperfections in the siblings?
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>>If there were lots of imperfections, 3 or more, then you might not want to breed her. If there weren'then wait and decide when the time comes.

What do you guys think of if one year the whole litter is fine then the next litter there is about 3 with imperfections....keep in mind that the pairing is the same for both seasons. thanks.
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Strictly Serpents
Monty Montalbo/Niels Berg
619-602-4908

Could be a normal variation and could be cuased by differences in temps etc. Some babies will be born with defects. Having a few innone litter can easily point toward genetic incompatability in the pairing OR could be caused by other factors. The one litter that was fine, was it a decent sized litter? That would tend to disprove any genetic problems.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

>>Could be a normal variation and could be cuased by differences in temps etc. Some babies will be born with defects. Having a few innone litter can easily point toward genetic incompatability in the pairing OR could be caused by other factors. The one litter that was fine, was it a decent sized litter? That would tend to disprove any genetic problems.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Dave Colling
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>>www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com
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>>0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
>>0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)
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>>LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
>>24.36 BRB
>>19.19 BCI
>>And those are only the breeders
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>>lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Yeah, both litters were big. The first being 38 and the 2nd 44.
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Strictly Serpents
Monty Montalbo/Niels Berg
619-602-4908

you're obviously interested in having a breeding experience. Why not buy an older individual with no deformities? Breed that snake while you're waiting to see on that albino. It would be really bad to have your first breeding experience be horribly negative by producing a whole litter of deformed babies. Give yourself the best chance to have a positive experience, and get a better breeder. There's absolutely no reason to breed a deformed mom. There are plenty of great looking snakes out there to breed. It would be best to keep that albino as a pet. Albinos are cheap these days, start over.

If by some chance you do breed this deformed snake, please please please disclose this infromation to the buyers.
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Caden Chapman
slithering.serpents@gmail.com
http://slitheringserpents.com

oh yeah...definately...

if i do breed her, i will absolutely make it clear that she has a deformity.

as with most things, i seem to have gotten VERY mixed answers...so i guess i will wait and see. perhaps she'll grow out of it, perhaps not.

either way, i'm glad i got her, she is the sweetest snake, and an absolute perfect animal for educational purposes.
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0.1.0 Hogg Island Boa
0.1.0 Albino Columbian Boa
1.0.0 Carpet Python
0.0.1 Red Albino Cornsnake
0.0.1 Aberrant California Kingsnake
1.0.0 Greek Tortoise
1.0.0 Normal Leopard Gecko
0.0.1 ?????? Leopard Gecko
1.0.0 Leopard Toad
2.2.0 Dogs
1.1.0 Cats
1.0.0 Rabbit
1.0.0 Gerbil
....................................

Shed Your Fears!
http://www.freewebs.com/ShedYourFears