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...but this is the forum I visit so I thought I'd share. Went to a show in Manassas, VA today and saw this pair. I have never seen anything like them. I couldn't understand all of what the guy was telling me about them, other than the price ($3,500 a piece). But absolutely striking animals...

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0.1 Lampropeltis Getula Floridana
1.0 Elaphe Guttata Slowinskii

Thats a good price for the high white Balls. A guy in Daytona had them for $4000. and sold out.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

He did say they sell like hotcakes. Well he didn't say hotcakes, I'm paraphrasing. But these things were way cool looking.
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0.1 Lampropeltis Getula Floridana
1.0 Elaphe Guttata Slowinskii

Ya I like the high white Peibalds. I don't really care for Ball Pythons because of their personality (they have none) and they pretty much remind me of slugs. But those high white Pieblads are cool. I think they will hold their price next year while all the others plummett (with the exception of the albino and reccessives)in value. But really none are a good investment as Ball python breeders want you to think .

See it is okay to post Ball on KS forum. I could never go on the Ball forum and say all that. LOL!
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Considering they (piebalds) were $25,ooo just a few years ago!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

They got a pastel in at my local pet shop and want an arm and a leg for it - way way way more than they were selling for last year.

I'm betting they paid too much for it themselves, they are honest people and I think they don't know how much pastels have dropped (they specialize in dogs).
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11.14 L. getula californiae (Cal. King)
2.3 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.1 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
0.1 Heterodon nasicus nasicus (W Hognose)
4.2.14 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

I disagree. Not being a ball guy myself, but recessives are still good investments if you get the right thing. I paid $3.8k for my het pieds 4 years ago. First clutch was one year later and hatched out 4 pieds at $4K ea. Year after that 4 more pieds at $3-4K ea. I believe I made a wise investment and all I really wanted was one pied for myself. Now I have 2 that are breeding size and the male sired 2 clutches for me this year and one was to a pastel.....now I have pastels het for pied. One pied as an investment is worth much more than several clutches of kingsnakes.....plus they don't crap as much. lol. If I had the time and space though, I would have a lot more kings than I do. You guys are producing some killer stuff. Keep it up.

Brandon Osborne
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Brandon

I still think the Pieblads and amels are okay compared to the other Ball codoms and others.. But you did get lucky with yours. With an avergae of 7 eggs (IF you get them to breed)and lots of other variables I would rather invest in some colubrids that double clutch, have lots more eggs and are more prolific breeders.

I guess the Balls are fine if you like them. Just not purely as an investment snake. And thats what seems to have happened with Balls. People sold off their colubrid collections to get Balls because they thought they were a good investment. If i was to invest for pure monetary return I would diversfy more and get some high end stuff like stimsoni, Anthill pthons, Green and Baja ratsnakes,, ect. Those sell quick and hold their value better than Balls.

I say invest in what you like, but not just for the pure $$ factor.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

So, the ones in the pictures I posted, does the price go up the more white is on the snake? And are these exceptionally white, percentage-wise? I've been to several shows and maybe they just never caught my eye before, but I definitely had not seen anything like these before.

That is so much money for a snake. Makes me feel good about the laptop computer I just ordered though (although a well cared for snake will certainly last longer than a computer!).
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0.1 Lampropeltis Getula Floridana
1.0 Elaphe Guttata Slowinskii

yeah, It seems the more white, and the more symetrical the pattern is,...the more bucks they are, but that's very understandable.

What's really weird about Ball genetics(Dom,co-dom, etc) from friends of mine that are REALLY into them, sometimes the uglier the snakes that are bred, the better the babies look!!...on the same token, they have said(at least with certain morphs) that two very pretty outstanding snakes will produce uglier babies!!

Thy are TOTALLY different genetically than the colubrids I've been dealing with for decades.....being recessive traits and alot more understandable in my opinion!

Well, I guess it's whatever "floats you're boat" right???

~Doug

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"Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!"

I say invest in what you like, but not just for the pure $$ factor.

I totally agree. That's why I have so many chondros now. lol. Believe it or not, those fetch more than balls in some cases......much more! I just love the diversity offered within a single clutch of chondros. And again, adults only crap once a month. Gotta love it.

Brandon Osborne
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I believe the future will be bred from patternless Goini. Like Brandons anyerythristic stripe, the solid orange hypo Brooks cross from Jeff, etc. Then there’s that patternless female Crimson King could cross to that ghost of his. Also the “build a better ghost” project like bluerosy’s patternless Brooks x New England axanthic. ....
Yes there’s lots to look forward to with these colubrids!

If I wanted to make an investment right now, I would get about 50 acres of good farm land, 50 gal biodiesel/ethanol making capability and a tractor.

and maybe a pea shooter and a good dog.

other than that, I really like alot of the pine snakes. even though they are under the radar, good ones from good blood always sell.
some days I kick myself for selling what I had in brooksi, but that does not happen much, hahaha. I either had to get really big or downsize to make what I was doing work. I made a decision I can live with. The stuff coming out now is off the wall and I am happy for the ones with the vision to make it happen.

daveb

See Eddie, you should have bought them for $3500 each, turned around and sold them in the classifieds for $4000 each, and made an easy grand.