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I've heard and seen several pics/posts on the paradox albinos. An albino with black showing up to varying degrees.

I have a ghost, clearly aa Anery with the hypo influence. As she has grown there are now areas where the red is showing through.

Has a paradox anery (or ghost) ever been identified before?

new pics, just shed this weekend:

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Produced an incredible paradox ghost female 2 years ago. Maybe he will post pix of her. She was def a smokin boa.

Joe

A Paradox boa is a T neg albino that happens to have black specs on it.

Calling a ghost or a hypo a paradox is kind of redundant.

If it is a ghost or a hypo, it is not T neg and therefore has melanin or black pigment, albeit reduced.

The term paradox should apply to an animal that should not exhibit black and for some strange reason, does exhibit a small amount of black.

Call it what you will, I was referring to paradox being a boa having a color it's not supposed to.

My point and question was about there being anery (or ghost) boas that are showing reds, also (IMO) a paradox (or insert whatever name better describes the condition).

"Paradox - a statement that seems to conflict with common sense of to contradict itself but that may nevertheless be true."

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

The animal in the pic looks hypo and hypos by definition are supposed to have reduced black.

The animal doesn't look at all anery as it has tons of reddish pigment.

It just looks like a hypo to me, BICBW.

That's my point, this animal was clearly anery/hypo (ghost) as a baby. As it's aged, this red speckling has shown up. Nowhere near that of a hypo, not even a low expression one.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
24.36 BRB
19.19 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

That is my point.

I think many anery types are more like hypos (reduced) than they are like T neg albinos which are either "on" or "off".

Many anerys show reduced red, rather than no red.

If you had a snake that was totally lacking red but had a handful of small red specks all over it, I could understand you wanting to call it a paradox anery.

The pics you posted just look like a "hypo" anery to me.

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Sorta defeats the purpose of the term "Anery" don't it? "A" or "An" meaning without? Like Amelanistic, or Axanthic, or Asexual, or in this case, Anerythristic?

Maybe I was taught wrong. Hmmm.
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I read the thread a few weeks back where you were arguing about the name paradox and I would just like to add that it is "understood" by many that paradox is something that is different such as an t- albino with black speckles, a bci ghost that has red pigment or perhaps an axanthic ball python showing yellow pigment
axanthic here

paradox here

are all these poorly categorized in your opinion?
Bob

My personal opinion is that the term "paradox" should only apply to animals that have an "on off" gene like T neg albino and then exhibit the color they are not supposed to exhibit, ie. black.

Hypos are T pos and therefore are supposed to exhibit some black, albeit a reduced amount.

If you have an axanthic or anery that shows red, than it simply isn't a very good axanthic or it is a "hypo" axanthic, but it certainly should not be labeled a "paradox" axanthic.

JMHO

leaky gene that only applies to a t- albino, that sounds biased to me, but I truly appreciate your opinion on the matter. I'm a little confused on this so if:

a t-pos snake-refers to a snake that can synthesize tyrosinase but can't synthesize melanin so in turn

a t-neg snake-refers to a snake that can't synthesize tyrosinase but can synthesize melanin

so in t-neg albino or sunglow paradox's melanin is synthesized in small amounts making it a leaky gene correct. Like a ghost or an anery synthesizing small amounts of red pigment or like a axanthic ball synthesizing small amounts or yellow pigment

are they all leaky genes or just the ones that don't contain the t-negative gene, hell a gene is a gene no matter if it yellow, red, black or brown

where is Paul Hollander when you need him lol
Bob

Yes, I would characterize a Paradox albino boa as a T neg albino with a leaky expression of black pigment.

A T pos albino by definition is supposed to exhibit a reduced amount of black, so the fact that it shows black is nothing to write home about.

I think many of these anerys out there are sort of like "T positives"

They simply show reduced red rather than no red, so the fact that they show some red is again nothing to write home about.

anery thing. If it isn't suppose to show red then why do they have brown saddles lol. I truly admire the anery type 1 boas with all silver and/or black saddles with a solid black tail-that sh-t is HOT HOT HOT and very hard to come by might I add. That is prolly my favorite morph to date when it contains no reds at all. thanks for the chat and take care
Bob

Anerys can have brown saddles because it is still has yellow pigment.

no yellow, red, brown or whatever combo you throw together and leave silver and black removing ALL color is what I stated. It's kind of like a leaky gene (the brown ones) or selective breeding at its best (silver and black) if you would like to call it that. Just like some albinos are light orange, some are pink, some are orange, some are dark orange and the best have reddish tints but of course this is all speculation and these are how I view them and how they appeal to me
Bob

I say Paradox Anery.
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get some pics from Chris Perry who produced it but an anery is far stretched but throw paradox on the front and hey what's uplol Dave buys more snakes than I buy Xmas presents for my son but he does have a big ole' collection and has an eye for detail but I don't think it is a paradox anery and sold as a ghost but not to drop names but someone is selling it's paradox (albino or sunglow I can't remember) for 10k and I don't believe any boa or ball paradox has proved to be inheritable but they do make for great eye candy in collections IMO. I am very interested in some baby pics Dave so go get 'em if you can buddy lol
Bob

"A Paradox boa is a T neg albino that happens to have black specs on it."

Don't assume only T-neg boas lack black pigment and can be Paradox. The phenotype of some forms of T-positive amelanistics can also lack black pigment. Neither the Kahl nor Sharp strain have been tested for active tyrosinase so we are not sure if they are T-neg or T-pos.

And why restrict the term Paradox to only those animals that show black where it shouldn't be? Wouldn't a snow boa that shows both black pigment and some red pigment be a Paradox? So, why not call anerys that show some red where it shouldn't be a Paradox anery? To me a Paradox is simply anything that goes against our knowledge of what these genes should be doing.