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I produced my first Pewters this season......unfortunaetly I didnt have very good luck and only ended up with 1 living Pewter.

I had 1 clutch that contained Twin Pewters, but one hatched prematurely and died after leaving the egg, his sib is doing fine and will hopefully turn out to be a happy snake. The Pweters weighed 13 grams (deceased), and 16 grams (living).

This one was also a clutchmate to the Twins and died full term in the egg, I am guessing only days from hatching. I removed it from the egg for the picture and it appears to have an enlarged heart which is evident from the small lump on the ventral surface just behind the head.

Hmmm. Interesting. Could you post the temps and humidity you incubated at, as well as maybe how much inbreeding/line breeding? Not to start bash-fest, just to establish what you did, and maybe if something happens again to someone else we can compare.

Just think it'd be interesting to track what results in low hatchling survival rates. Especially among our pritty little morphs

~jenny
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"The python has, and I fib no fibs,
318 pairs of ribs.
In stating this I place reliance
On a seance with one who died for science
This figure is sworn to and attested,
He counted them while being digested."
~Ogden Nash

jenny.thegreenes.org

"If you're happy and you know it,
Bomb Iraq!
If you cannot find Osama,
Bomb Iraq!
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq!

I dont use a hygrometer to check for humidity, but I incubate in the same manner as the Barkers. I incubate at 89.6 F.

As for inbreeding......that is not the case here. I bred an 03 Cinnamon pastel male to an imported female pastel I got back in 02. They are completely unrelated.

It's just a case of bad luck.

Jared

Thats what it sounds like. Sorry for your loss!!
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"The python has, and I fib no fibs,
318 pairs of ribs.
In stating this I place reliance
On a seance with one who died for science
This figure is sworn to and attested,
He counted them while being digested."
~Ogden Nash

jenny.thegreenes.org

"If you're happy and you know it,
Bomb Iraq!
If you cannot find Osama,
Bomb Iraq!
If the terrorists are frisky,
Pakistan is looking shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iraq!

first off i am sorry for your loss. second,i too had a clutch of pastels this year that did the same thing. i ended up with 2 perfectly nomal pastels weighting 70gms each. but i had 3 other eggs inb the clutch that went full term but never hatched. when i cut them open a few days after the other hatched i found fully formed dead in the egg babies. when i took them out of the egg they weighed 22,24,19 gms. they all had funny looking lumps in there upper body area like yours.sad to say it was 2 more pastels and a normal. do you have any idea what might cause them to be so small but fully formed. is it an incubating issue or a genetic combo issue(ie. mom and dad genetic compatability.third,i just boought a pewter and think they are my favorite morph.

spider

just to give my perameters for breeding. i incubate at 88.6-88.9
i have 2 different thermometers to get a real good idea and feel very confident on my temps. my humidity ranged from 94% to 98%, again i have 2 hygrometers so i get real accurate numbers. all the eggs weighed within a few grams of each other at time of laying. the 2 good ones pipped on their own on day 59 and i cut the others on day 62. they were dead in the egg.i hope this helps.

spider

Just out of curiosity what were the weights and ages of the parents in this case?
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