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Okay, so, I came home today, went down to the reptile room, annnd...

My small WC Blue-tail that I've had for roughly two months has what I first took to be a prolapse of the hemipenis, but closer examination made me go "Uh, no, still definately looks like a female... Oh, crap, that's a cloacal prolapse..."

I've tried soaking her, like twice, and now she's in one of the smaller quarentine enclosures on moist paper towels... I have classes in the morning, but I plan on taking her to the vet [which is like a 30 minute drive, no one here does exotics, really... But the place is a decent reptile vet...] as soon as I can tomorrow afternoon... I called every local herpetologist I know, and a couple emergency numbers like three to five hours away from here... But no one really mucks with Varanids very much. I applied some water-based lubericant to the exposed tissue...

But does anyone else have any more advice for what I can do for her tonight?
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Eastern Kingsnake [Duke]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
0.1 Eastern Box Turtle [Abel]
0.2 Leopard Geckos [Ghost and Ankh]
1.0 Green Iguana (Rescue Mission) [Achilles]
0.1 Blue-Tailed Monitor [Aamesa]

I'm sorry to hear about the prolapse. Unfortunately, I don't know of anything else you could do between now & your vet visit.

I hope the best!

HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Your probably best off Just to wait until you get it to a vet. I'm interested to know how this develops. Keep us posted. Last year I had the same thing with my female croc monitor. We tried pushing it back in but it would just pop back out. We ended up cutting off the prolapse and putting in a few stitches on the side of the cloaca. That was about a year or so ago and she's doing great.

Mike,
What's the leading cause of prolapses? I've seen some say dehydration & others say calcium deficiency. What say you?

Thanks!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Last summer my 1 year old tegu (at the time) suffered a prolapse.
Earlier that afternoon he pigged out on quail chicks which he had never had before. About six hours later he was restless and
pooping everywhere. He pooped out the partially undigested chicks, feathers, etc. and then he prolapsed. I treid soaking him in the tub with a cool water / sugar solution. I don't recall the reason but something in the sugar makes the blood vessels and tissue restrict or shrink which inturn should help
pull the cloaca back in - supposedly - I don't know if that is fact but I was willing to try but to no avail. So off to the
e-vet we went. The vet was going to have to sedate him and push it back in and stitch as mention in the other post.
However, right before they were getting ready to put him under he retracted it on his own.
The vet's best guess is that the quail chicks were too much for his system. This made sense to me since his body seemed to rush the chicks out undigested. I have had no problems with him since
then and he is now a proven stud over 4' long.
Sorry for the long post but wanted to share in case someone can
learn something from this.
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I say, POOR husbandry. Cheers

Vet said that the round of worming she underwent when initially aquired just didn't get everything, and that it was parasites what lead to my little Doreanus' prolapse.

I still think I effed up somewhere else in caring for her and that's what did it.

However, I did get her to the vet right after classes today, and they were able to put her under and fix her up. They say she's doing fine now, awake and kinda' slowly cruising around the small enclosure I took her there in. I'm still worried though, since she's not exactly the most laid-back Varanid and I can't imagine the stress she's under right now.

But at least they were able to fix her.
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Eastern Kingsnake [Duke]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
0.1 Eastern Box Turtle [Abel]
0.2 Leopard Geckos [Ghost and Ankh]
1.0 Green Iguana (Rescue Mission) [Achilles]
0.1 Blue-Tailed Monitor [Aamesa]

Your vets wrong, Sorry. Parasites are normal to all wild monitors, and they do not prolapse. Oh unless a car hits them.

Healthy monitors are not effected by parasites. In fact, with decent husbandry rid themselves of them in captivity.

But if any monitor is kept is poor conditions, everything bothers them, including parasites. Why vets treat for monitors but do not teach the keepers how to keep monitors is beyond me. But that is another story.

Back to the first paragraph, the only time parasites are a problem is if the monitor is severely immunosuppressed. Which will also lead to other ailments. Even if treated for parasites, unless conditions change, other events like yours will occur. Cheers

Which is why I said what I did in my last post.

You know, about still thinking I effed up somewhere else in my husbandry.

Either way, I'm completely redoing her enclosure to try and examine everything and see if I can't sit back and figure out where I messed up at, exactly.
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
1.2 Eastern Box Turtles [Zoink, Boink, and Abel]
1.0 Green Iguana (Rescue Mission) [Achilles]
0.1 Blue-Tailed Monitor [Aasera]
0.1 Pink-Toe Tarantula [Athena]

hmmmmmmm not sure thats a good idea. Lets say for the sake of this conversation, there are ten points to decent husbandry. Did you miss all ten? most likely not, so why change the whole cage?

In most cases, dehydration is a major problem with captive monitors. They appear to be a lizard, but respond to dryness like a snake. Then need safe areas that are not dry or humid.
Anyway, It my experience that most major problems can be traced to that.

Of course, most people say, But I have a water bowl, or tub, or pond, or friggin niagra falls. Those are not the problem, its a ever constant turnover of air that causes the problems. I would look in this area. Cheers

That's actually...

A really excellent point.

I'm breaking down the whole cage anyhow to take advantage of her not being in there to thoroughly clean and sanitize everything before bringing her home.

But...

What would you recommend to aid in air-turnover problems, Frank?
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1.1 Ornate Uromastyx [Re and Wadjet]
1.0 Savannah Monitor [Zephyrus]
1.0 Quince Monitor [Poe]
1.2 Eastern Box Turtles [Zoink, Boink, and Abel]
1.0 Green Iguana (Rescue Mission) [Achilles]
0.1 Blue-Tailed Monitor [Aasera]
0.1 Pink-Toe Tarantula [Athena]

I recomend getting it undercontrol if needed. But without knowledge of your cage, I cannot say anything.

In my cages, all of them indoors, there is no to very little venting. On large cages, maybe two, two inch vents. And I am sure those are not needed(not were I live)

What you do is based on your location and need. Cheers

awe, look at that jackarse below trying to say my husbandry ain't no good. Everyone knows the cause of prolapse is insufficient lube and too much porn. That is a bad combo.

Ha! Ha! No way, I'm not gonna touch that one! (pun?) LOL!!!

HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American