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Hard to tell what it is...Send these pics to Terry Vandeventer, he has seen more of these than just about anyone, he will be able to tell you if it is a ruthveni or someone's escapd pet.

Just curious,what parish was that found in?
Are you guys working as part of the ruthveni studbook at the zoo?
Thanks for the excitement,
daveb

I live in Rapides Parish it was found in Ball and I'm not sure if it is in Rapides. I just moved here a few months back. I am not aware if we are part of any program but I may have to look into it.
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0.1 Snow corn
0.1 Okeetee corn
1.0 Anery mutt corn
0.1 Stripe Ghost corn
0.1 Amelanistic corn het carmel
2.1 Colombian Redtails
1.0 Hypo Colombian redtail
1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
1.0 Anery Kenyan sand boa
0.1 Normal Kenyan sand boa

First, that is definitely a typical bull snake.

The stud book went defunct 10-12 years ago, the only knowledgeable person keeping it up was Reichling. He quit updating it and tracking animals when everyone started hybridizing the LA Pines.

Alexandria lost their original stock of adults some many years ago (at least 7-10 years ago) and I know of three persons that ended up with hybrids coming from the Alexandria pines. They are still out there being utilized to this day!!!

Thanks, my computer monitor is not so good with some of these pictures , so instead of making a pit forum faux pas, I thought I would defer to a good resource off line...

The studbook was still in effect in 2000 (at least for zoo managed animals), I have a copy of it. It has the historical content where all the private individuals are listed and then the current (at that time) zoo managed animals.

Is the snake in this pic a ruthveni or hybrid? It looks like its got pinesnake in it? The snake in question in the previous post looks like a bull for sure,but I'm no expert on ruthveni. Theres an ad in the classifieds for 2 ruthveni that look identical to a bullsnake,no pinesnake look at all to them,maybe that explains the modest pricing on them. I sure hope to get my hands on some real ruthveni from the few honest people that aren't crossing them with bulls and black pines. It's just a matter of time before no one will know what the hell they've got. You can go thru the kingsnake classifieds and check out pic after pic of all these crazy hybrid kingsnakes and they all just look like cal. kings to me. People buy these and then turn around and decide to sell them forgetting what they are or how many times they were crossed with what??? Kevin

She is a captive bred Ruthveni. Parents were WC Male to a Zoo x Red Phase Female.

That also brings up a sore spot for me. Too many people are advertising (I think they honestly don't know it and don’t intend to misrepresent them) their lineages improperly and this will also cause future problems. To my knowledge, there are no Male and Female pairs of Zoo stock (Memphis) in private hands. There are some hybrids from Alexandria Zoo stock and unfortunately several well know persons have them. So, how can so many Zoo Stock animals keep popping up each year?

There is a breeder that has an animal with "1/2" Memphis Zoo stock in its blood, but that should not be represented as "Zoo Stock", only what it is, an animal from Zoo x WC blood. I think this is confusing people or maybe it is just me.

I do agree with you, there are way too many hybrids floating around, more of those than the pure, but you can still acquire pure, you just have to know where and do your homework.

Well, that is my 5 post quota for 2 years; I am going back into hiding again. Just be careful who you buy the Ruthveni from

Ok, one last post on this subject. I understand what you are saying about the snakes not appearing to be "text Book" Ruthveni, but, the captive bred animals seem to be cleaner and the more generations produced, the less they appear like their wild kin. This could be corrected with selective breeding.

That said, I do agree that many offered ARE hybrids no matter how clean they look, but several of the breeders (with pure animals) noticed how the WC Ruthveni looked much different than the captive bred specimens. They tend to look more "bullish" in terms of pattern but with the LA Pine body.

Ok, I really think I am done this time.

dc

I agree 100% that the captive produced ruthveni look alot more cleaner than the wild ones which makes since. That would be too cool to actually see one in the wild though! Kevin

that's a bullsnake alright & a pretty one at that! somebody's pet got out apparently. here's a pic of a red phase bull.

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