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Corndurans and a couple odds and ends....hybrid hypo goini and lav goini

bluerosy Aug 21, 2003 12:22 AM

Red cornduran

A little peach flavor cornduran:

Het Hypo goini. *hypo brooksi X goini* (will produce hypo)

Lavender goini (Goini X lav brooksi)

anery Cornduran:

cornduran

Hypo brooksi x goini

Replies (14)

michaelb Aug 21, 2003 02:14 AM

There are some awesome animals there! When I first started reading into this whole hybrid debate, I began by thinking I probably would never want to own a hybrid. I'd rather have, say, a full-blooded Brooksi than a Cornduran. But after seeing those pics, I have to admit that I could be converted. The hypo brooksi x goinis are beautiful! I'd like to see the rest of the anery.

I'd like to ask a simple question. Remember, I'm somewhat breeder challenged, so pardon my ignorance if this seems stupid. Can you give a simple layman's definition of "hypo?"
Thanks,
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MichaelB

sandy77 Aug 21, 2003 04:57 AM

wauw what a beautyful snake's you got there!

bluerosy Aug 21, 2003 11:56 AM

Hypo is a short term for hypomelanism or hypomelanistiuc. Itmeans lacking dark pigment. So it can describe an light colored animal that lacks dark pigment but still has the red and yellow . Unfortunately the term has been abused as a way to market any light colored animals in a clutch.
A book a lot of herpers go by is written by Dr. Bern Bechtel (the name excapes at the moment) decsribes some of the terms.

For instance a term for a snake that lacks yellow and red pigment is axanthic or anerthristic. [Both can be used interchangably but most herpers use axanthic for a mostly yellow sanke and anerythristic(anery) for a mostly red snake]. What you get is a dark animal that lacks all reds and yellow pigment. The opposite of a hypo.

When you cross a hypo to a axnathic (hpyo X axanthic) you get hets . This means they are carriers of both genes. These would then be called Double Het ("DH" and will produce a Ghost. But with only 1/16 possibility.

If you crasso a anert or axanthic with a albino (amel) you get snows. Hence the term snow corns.

The book is good reading and a starting point in figuring all these terms out.

Geesh.. can anyone remember the name of that book?

Rainer

Kingmilk Aug 22, 2003 12:05 AM

Reptile and Amphibian Variants

Brian

bluerosy Aug 22, 2003 01:55 AM

Jeez Brian. Where the heck have you been. Did you get my phone calls?
MAN, I am glad you showed up here!!! But is the book reccomendation all you will give us here? Com'n...PLEEEEEEZ. Oh wait!... P R E T T Y P L E E E E Z.. with sugar on top!!!
Enlighten us here bro.

pinatamonkey Aug 22, 2003 01:18 AM

>>Hypo is a short term for hypomelanism or hypomelanistiuc. Itmeans lacking dark pigment. So it can describe an light colored animal that lacks dark pigment but still has the red and yellow . Unfortunately the term has been abused as a way to market any light colored animals in a clutch.

Wouldn't amelanistic be the term for an animal lacking dark pigment? (Dark pigment being melanin, the prefix a- meaning without), and hypomelanistic being the term for having a reduction in dark pigment (hypo- meaning less than normal)

>>For instance a term for a snake that lacks yellow and red pigment is axanthic or anerthristic. [Both can be used interchangably but most herpers use axanthic for a mostly yellow sanke and anerythristic(anery) for a mostly red snake]. What you get is a dark animal that lacks all reds and yellow pigment. The opposite of a hypo.
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Not always, anery corns for example, while not having red or orange pigment, can sometimes have a great deal of yellow.
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-audri
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bluerosy Aug 22, 2003 01:49 AM

Pinta
While you are correct I did not have the time to write an exhaustive account . That is why I recomended the book. But even Dr. Bechtel book has inconsistencies.

What is the differnece betwwen the charcoal and anery (anery A &B) and what is the melanistic corn? Does it have yellow?

meretseger Aug 24, 2003 01:13 PM

As far as I know, type A anery gets yellow as the animal ages, whereas type B anery stays black-and-white.
I've never been able to figure out if there's a difference between the words 'melanistic' and 'hypermelanistic'.

meretseger Aug 21, 2003 03:21 PM

How much of their red do Goini crosses lose as they grow up? Do they lose all of it like pure Goini's?

bluerosy Aug 21, 2003 04:59 PM

I don't know how much red the goini crooses lose as they mature.
They have a higher probability compared to normals as crosses tend to hold colors better.
The corndurans I have look like corns but I have been told by corn experts that they will have a higher degree of color seperation (colors will not tend to bleed as much)and retention.

The Jurassic milks are also going to be more popular in the future when the majority of herpers finally realize that the albino reds, oranges and neon reds and oranges actually stay bright into adulthood. Something that no normal pure amel has done.If you have never seen an adult high red Jurassic then you will be surprised how nice they retain colours. Their are not to many adults around so its wise to get on the band wagon(so to speak) before everyone else does..
I have also seen these color retentions in adults this year in some mex mex/tharyi crosses. Absolutely stunning animals. I passed one up that I will kick myself for at the Daytona expo. Its was $1200 and sold before the show opened on set up day. Oh well! I also think that Osborne has some beautiuful amel animals.

BTW, not all pure goini lose their red. The Late Lloyd Lemke had a strain that holds the red.

meretseger Aug 21, 2003 05:52 PM

I've seen the 'blaze phases'.. maybe someone should do hypo crosses with those.

Bluerosy Aug 21, 2003 06:11 PM

I beleive the Blaze phase is a hyperthristic.

meretseger Aug 22, 2003 06:34 AM

Wow.... I probably just had them mixed up this whole time...
:thinks about breeding Goini's again...

Katt Sep 16, 2003 02:01 PM

I like hybrids, but the corndurans weren't as nice as the pueblan x corn crosses I like, but that ANERY wow. How can I purchase one???
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~Katt

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