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male adult YB unproven line (but likely), proven breeder

There are a ton of unproven yellow bellies that are imported every year. If it looks like a yellow belly then it should prove.
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J&J REPTILES
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A YB is a YB...if your snake has proven time and time again to produce other YB's then it will...when the time comes produce Ivories.

As for Chris...he is a good guy and excellent to deal with...I did a trade with him 2 or 3 years ago and he is very trustworthy and will back anything he sells or trades.

Michael Enriquez
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Michael Enriquez

Haha. Not really. Maybe he is a proven breeder but has not been bred to a yellowbelly to see if he is 'het ivory'?

Who knows?

If it's a proven breeder, then it should have produced yellowbellies in its clutch. Find out how many times it has bred, how many eggs were produced, etc. If it has bred and produced offspring, and none of the babies were YBs, I'd stay away from it. If it produced something like one small clutch, I suppose it could have "missed on the odds"(a term I hate by the way, because it misrepresents what "odds" actually mean). If it looks good, you could take a chance.....but I probably wouldn't...

Unproven line means that the line has not produced ivories yet - since it's a "line" it would imply that YBs have been consistently produced either by this animal or by it's YB parent.

Proven Breeder means it has bred and has produced offspring.

Never hurts to ask for clarifications from the breeder if you need it.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

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Yea basically this is exactly what he said also. It is an unproven line in that he hasn't produced ivories yet with this male, and he has produced one clutch this season but they haven't hatched yet so he has breed successfully but he hasn't seen the babies yet.

With as cheap as yellowbellies are now I would not even bother with unproven ones. Even though most will prove out there is really no reason anymore to take a chance.
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John Vandegrift

Keep in mind that there are many people out there that will
tell people that what they are selling is 'for sure' a YB,
yet they are either imported or from an unproven line...

Will most babies that 'look' like YBs prove out? Probably, but
there are many different 'shades' of YBs and their appearance
can sometimes be tricky.

Good luck.

> male adult YB unproven line (but likely), proven breeder

I'd be happy to respond since this is in reference to an ad
I have posted...

The male in question is a 'proven breeder'...he bred for me
this season and produced a clutch of 4 eggs. Those eggs are
cooking right now. That takes care of the last part of that line.

He is from an 'unproven line' meaning that he hasn't produced
ivories. I'm the kind of breeder that won't tell people what
I don't know with certainty. There are lots of YBs that get
imported every year, and there are a lot of animals that LOOK
like YBs (but might not prove out) that come in too. Some
people advertise and sell these unproven line animals as if
they know, with certainty, that they are in fact 'het ivories'.
I don't do that. The male in question was hand picked from
a top breeder as a baby because he was fairly certain it was
a YB. I too think that he is likely a YB, hense the 'but likely'.

I'll know in a few weeks what the babies look like. Obviously
I'm hoping some will look like the sire.

Questions always welcome.
Chris
www.SimoneReptiles.com

I have not seen your ad, but why not wait a couple weeks to sell it if you have eggs getting close to hatching? It seems to me like you would be able to get more money for it once it was proven. But good luck. I am sure it will prove out for you.
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John Vandegrift