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i saw them posted on kingsnake they look nice, and i wanted to know if anyone has seen this morph before? and does anyone know if its a proven trait

You must mean Edisto Island Mosiac eastern kings.

I never heard of a mosaic Florida king. Probably a cross between goini or easterns is what they sound like.

This is what I mean by people stealing a name from a legit species and using it for another for personal gain$$

Lately this happens a lot with the Florida kings. Just in the last month I have seen peanut Butters that are actually normal lavenders. The Sulfur lavender is also another I have seen a lot of people use on their normal lavenders. I bet next year we will see Phantoms and Peabinos that are some common Florida king.No joke.. Watch and see!

The problem is when these sellers are confronted they always have a scape goat. Saying things like I bought them as this XYZ brooksi. Or " thats what the person who sold them told me they were and they are a big breeder"....Oh noy then its legit HA HA HA! Turns out "the breeder" is really a BROKER/Pet shop/ wholesaler ect. Breeders rarely misrepresnt animals. But their was on guy who is well known on the Cornsnake forum who had normal lavenders on his table and listed them as Sulfurs. Along with the price tag to match. I even heard of some people that paid full price for these "Sulfurs" and later contacted me thinking they had something special. What happened here is this breeder got out of breeding brooks kings and thats how he left things,. Now he is back.

At least the Florida kings are getting some attention they deserve. With popularity always come deceivers taking advantage of the market.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

the animal iam talking about is being sold on the classified ADS.
they claim they are recessive iwas thinking of getting a pair, but wanted to hear from florida king breeders before i bought them.

They are not a reccessive trait.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Always ask to see pics of parents if anyone claims something new is genetic not "genetic". I do remember seeing someone post pics of "mosaics" they got from wc animals in that region, but I dont know if there were both males and females and I dont know if that was long enough ago to breed them back to each other yet. The breeder could answer alot of questions by posting pics of the parents,Jeff

He actually does mean Mosaic Floridana.
Check the classifieds.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
www.kingpinreptiles.com
^ Updated 8/27

The snake looks Floridana... Not sure how legit these are but they are very cool looking

I had a snake in my collection with a similar pattern (sold it unfortunately)

~ZF
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Royal ReptileZ

They look like they could be the real deal..
I had a sort of similar female that was wc a few years back...
Wish I had bred it and kept the lines going. Bet I would've produced VERY similar snakes in time...
:Mark

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Surrender Dorothy!

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I have had some that look like the w/c you have pictured from my Peanut Butter line hets. But I hate to say it they are a far cry from the pics posted above.

It would be neat if this line was a not a cross of any type. But if he bought the collection and is selling them cheap then I wonder how much he paid for them? Seems like a lot of time and trouble for the original breeder to get rid of adults for next to nothing.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

I am not advocating one view or another but...

maybe the seller
-didn't realize what he potentially had
-didn't see them as special. not every one is clued into the b.p.o.f. comeback/ breakout yet
-just wanted out of a project. I am sure some high end balls went for a song and dance, but noone would admit to that...
-knows that the trait isn't genetic and the fuss isn't all that big.

just $.02 speculation
daveb

That's an awesome snake. Thanks for posting.

You guys may not remember but Mr. Belanger hatched some of those a few years ago out of wild caught stock. Ken

Do you know if he produced any goini out of his wc's? I haven't seen him post in a while and it would be neat to see the babies if there were any.

He doesn't have them anymore (I think) and there are eggs if not hatchlings by now, from them this year.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

He means FL kings just like the pics I sent you.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

I used to have a bunch of snappies (pics) of floridana with mosaic like patterns, from the mid 90's.

>> Turns out "the breeder" is really a BROKER/Pet shop/ wholesaler ect. Breeders rarely misrepresnt animals. But their was on guy who is well known on the Cornsnake forum who had normal lavenders on his table and listed them as Sulfurs. Along with the price tag to match.

So are you allowed to mention the breeder's name on here? I am going to guess his first name starts with a "D" and last name "S", one of the biggest corn snake brokers out there. Or my second guess is "R&L" with a last initial "S"? Trying hard NOT to break any rules here, hope I didn't. Just curious and wanting to know. Ken

nope. none of those.

I was about 2' away when those pics were taken.
At the time I didn't know the difference in hatchling appearance, especially since sulfur lavs were not very common at all. And had I been looking for sulfur lavs, those would have been in the ball park as far as price/ choice/ availability.

"So are you allowed to mention the breeder's name on here? I am going to guess his first name starts with a "D" and last name "S", one of the biggest corn snake brokers out there. Or my second guess is "R&L" with a last initial "S"? Trying hard NOT to break any rules here, hope I didn't. Just curious and wanting to know. Ken "

Nope. None of the above initials.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

just for comparison...I should take some updated pics. They are much bigger now.

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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

I had some Edisto Islands 10 years ago from kevin Enge when he got them from the guy who has that zoo. If you look at the Edisto and imagine it being bred to a Florida you would get something like the Florida Mosaics.

Edisto Islands certainly have been out long enough for someone to breed them to a Florida. I wonder if the breeder who sold these Mocaic Florida kings also had Edisto Islands?

Anyway that why getting a good history is so important. Now detective work is neccessary from the seller (broker) to find out who/what/where to legitizize these or not.
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

"legitizize"??????
lmao!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Why would you want to ruin a beautiful line by breeding it to a Floridana?
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B

Sweet Paul!! Remember to save me a pair. Derek

constuction paper land on the green ,orange or yellow youRa loser, for a third of a mil.you should get a Sulfer Lav!that glows!