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OK, I've seen a 25% sulphur. What does a 100%, 75%, 50% look like or is there such a thing?
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A Sulfur is a simple trait. There were only a couple foundiing sulfurs. Those were bred into the lavender brooks. So that makes the 100% sulfur lavs actually 50%. Then the sulfur lavs were bred to a another non-sulfur lavender making 25% sulfurs.

It is all really to technical to even mention.

All turn out great (even the 25%) and I am sure some people here will post pics. I think there is a pic below from ChrisD showing a sulfur 100%,,aka 50% percent. lol!
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"Yeah ya told me, and ya wrote it down too. But how the hell am I supposed to remember!"

Aren't the Lav's rumored to be descendents of a Floridana X Lav California King X Brooksi?
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You know, it is all confusing. We know there is no longer brooksi and yet we use the name since it was valid for some time describing s. FL animals. floridana brings about visions of "intergrade" kings w/ more black and fewer saddles since it was used to describe those animals for a long time too.
We know sulfur has been coined and used to describe animals that "look" like sulfur.(=yellow) Yet the originals were from stock from central FL. Same as the old "dream kings".
Lavender is anyone's guess I suppose (but I bet there's someone here with a definitive answer!)
I remember A. Barr telling me "hey you gotta see these! I hatched out purple-blue kings!" Those had Cal in them, I bet. Coincidentally, there were lavender FL kings not long after.
Now Mr. Barr has forgotten more than I'll ever know about breeding snakes but his legacy has lived on in the hobby. Ask anyone with "jurassic" milks/kings.
There was also amel holbrooki blood borrowed in some breedings I believe. Maybe because they "looked" more brooksi than californiae did? Afterall, they were trying to get a light (highly "speckled" if you will) snake and the cals just didn't do it.
Now it is all probably a wash anyway since that was many moons ago and the other ssp. have been washed out of the mix so to speak,huh?
As I was saying to Terry Dunham a few days ago...until RONCO comes out with the "pocket DNA tester" (available for 3 easy payments of just $19.99) then we'll just have to research best as we can and hope we can find answers.
I'm too lazy.
All are snakes of the hobby now. Have fun.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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I got one those "purple" florida kings from Andy back in 99. He did not have a male to go with her so he sent me a male het the next year. It looked 100% like a calking and nothing like a florida king. He never ate and passed away. I never had anything to breed her to but it would have been interesting to see the outcome of the lavenders around today breed to her.
Here is a picture I took of her before I lost her during cooldown last winter.

Until I looked at the head I would have sworn that was a Cal King.
It also has eastern like chains on the side, but so do some Cal Kings (ie yumensis)
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11.14 L. getula californiae (Cal. King)
2.3 L. getula nigrita (MBK)
1.0 L. getula floridana (Brooksi)
1.1 Pantherophis guttatus guttatus (Corn)
0.1 Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Pacific gopher)
0.1 Heterodon nasicus nasicus (W Hognose)
4.2.14 Elgaria multicarinata multicarinata - (Cal. Alligator Lizard)

Can't say for sure on these either. I do not know the "%" of Sulfur in them, but do know they are hets for hypo and lavender. These are adult pics.
The female. Around 40-48".


The male. Around 48-60".

Some offspring from '06. Hypo, Lavender, and normal.

Brandon Osborne
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