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I think by next year they will be the same as pastels. I think mojaves will follow and then cinnamons. lessers and butters will be the next after that. I predict that in the next couple of years even pewters and all the other morphs that are combinations that are not all white will be cheap because everyone has the ingredients to make them.

I am going to working with only albinos, caramels, pieds, caramel pieds, and albino pieds. Not everyone has those.
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

1.0 albino
1.2 het albino
1.0 het caramel
1.0 het pied
0.1 poss het. pied
0.4 normals (beautiful pastel sibs)

spiders and mojaves cost the same through most people so I think they'll both get low but, a pastel will never cost the same as a normal just like I think a spider will never cost the same as a pastel.

to this business. Too many people with no idea how to run a business = plummeting prices.
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I eat human infants. They, like everything else, taste like chicken. What?

A female of mine laid a clutch of 13 eggs out on a breeding loan. She was bred to both a spider male and a pastel male. I'm actually hoping for pastels because right now I value a pastel female over a spider. Part I'm sure is because I already got a male spider from an earlier clutch. I really like him but as nice as spiders are I don't see wanting as many of them as pastels, especially females. Both make some very nice combos but for me the pastel fire and pastel super stripe might have tipped that scale slightly toward pastel this year. Also, pastel line females are essential for making super pastels while spiders don't have a proven homozygous so that is yet another plus on the side of pastel females. Although I believe we may some day find a way to treat them (feed supplements etc.?) I'm also concerned about the possibility of producing even a small percentage of the extreme spinning spiders. It sounds like most spiders are marketable but maybe if you produce large numbers of spiders you might end up with a growing number of pet spiders. I hope to produce a few, particularly the piebald spider combo and of course the bumblebee and killer bee as long term projects. However, even though it might still be more profitable to produce all spider clutches with my limited supply of adult normal females I’ll also be working on producing some pastel female hatchlings.

Basically, it wouldn't surprise me if at least for females if pastels are more expensive than spiders in the next year or two.

I completely agree. I think that some people are going to gravitate towards replacing all of their normal females with pastel females to produce combinations. I think producing pastel females will be a steady source of income for those that resale their snakes.
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

1.0 albino
1.2 het albino
1.0 het caramel
1.0 het pied
0.1 poss het. pied
0.4 normals (beautiful pastel sibs)

they are going to START replacing normals with pastel females?

Alot of people have replaced normals with pastels, spiders, cinny/black pastels, and various other co-doms that are het for traits. Heck they are starting to replace their pastels with super pastels and spiders with bees and their bees with killers.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I didn't see any spiders at the show for under $500. That actually seems like a pretty reasonable price for them, considering their potential, and I don't see too many people willing to lower that price since the spiders seem to have sold pretty well (and continue to sell).

In any case, it's not a bad thing that prices are dropping enough for people (like me!) to afford them. Just means more people can buy them, and once the prices hit a certain point, they'll stop dropping. I doubt we'll see the spiders drop to less than 300 for a male - they're just in too much demand for making combos.

We're seeing the ball python market dropping because it's trying to stabilize itself. Prices can't stay high forever.

~jenny
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I agree with Jenny. The lower the prices go the more people will be able to afford some of these crazy morphs. Also, the lower prices go, the easier it will be to purchase a large number of animals to breed. It all seems relative.

- Ryan

My two cents.I dont think we have to worry about the market crashing.Some morph prices will drop.But the way this hobby is going its out with the old in with the new.There have been people proving out new one of a kind animals,and producing hot new one of a kind combos.The season isnt even over yet and weve already seen some new stuff.Cinnabellies,killer clowns,pastel fire,just to name a few.Its people constantly making new morphs that keeps the demand high.I dont know about you guys but that fire pastel makes me wish i had a fire.And im sure it does the same for others.So hobbyist are keeping the demand high,and as long as there is a demand the market will stay high.Because people will be trying to make new stuff.The market has yet to see a triple recessive yet as difficult of a snake as that would be to produce,could you imagine the price tag? My belief might not amount to much but. I believe its just out with the old in with the new.
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kevin
36 pythons and boas and 4 lizards

the spiders will go down, but the different bee combinations are holding pretty strong. i think the combos will hold a little longer, but as people's female pastels, cinnys, and others get big, then more of the combos will be produced, thus lowering the value of the single genetic animals even more.
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Happy Herping,
Jody Barnes
Royal Kreationz

1.0 albino
1.2 het albino
1.0 het caramel
1.0 het pied
0.1 poss het. pied
0.4 normals (beautiful pastel sibs)

a price tag is just that; a price tagged on an animal.

What someone is willing to pay is a whole different story...

Am I the only person who chuckles at an ad with a sentence like 'I was at such and such show last weekend and saw this combo priced at 30K each'....?

I can price my cat's crap at $100/lb.
But, until I actually sell a bag of it, I'm just delusional and looking at the world through rose-coloured glasses....

BB
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