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My male Womas have been trying to get to the females in the cages above them for the past couple of weeks now. Tonight, I gave in. No cooling has taken place, but the boys were starting to rub their snouts raw! Courting behavior was nearly instantaneous, even w/ the male that had shown no interest for either female this past season. This is what's happening less than an hour later.

Out of curiousity, has anyone successfully bred this species without cycling them? I know there's guys that do it w/ Carpets, but I'm curious about the Womas.

BTW, no more nose rubbing for the boys!

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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

congrats im trying to convince my girl to let me get a woma i was trying for black heads but out of the two she likes womas better cause of the usualy lighter body color but still doesnt really like either one lol but im working on it

Have you seen my babies from this year?

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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

yea well i seen one lol form frank he was showing one off that he was sayin he was gonna get did he ever get it? i havent seen him on much hopefully he is out trying to save up money for a digi cam so he can stop using his cell phone for pics. lol

I've got a pair set aside for him....I fear my cell bill w/ all the multimedia texts he's sent me! LOL He has been really busy lately.
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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

lol thats why i have unlim text pic vid etc on the cell iw as getting to many pics etc from friends hopefully once he gets his new digi cam he will be back on the forums chattin away and postin pics like crazy

Yeah, I was actually a little worried when I hadn't heard from him.
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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

I SAID NO POST LOL

>>I've got a pair set aside for him....I fear my cell bill w/ all the multimedia texts he's sent me! LOL He has been really busy lately.
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>>"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"
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>>Mike Curtin
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

good to see a old face around hope you got that ac sticking out of your head issue cleared up lol hope all is well in your busy world you must of heard us talking about you lol and tinley is coming up real fast and i dont care how long you have been gone if i come home with a macklots im blaming you lol

nice animals...

>>good to see a old face around hope you got that ac sticking out of your head issue cleared up lol hope all is well in your busy world you must of heard us talking about you lol and tinley is coming up real fast and i dont care how long you have been gone if i come home with a macklots im blaming you lol

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

poor mans olive lol im still blaming you if i get one. oh btw want a evil yellow conda and evil rock python both inthe 12' plus range lol and neither one in perfect shape oh did i mention evil as sin lol hope your doin well with your busy life cant wait for you to get some time on your hands and a digi cam so you can post loads of awesome pics and bring your smarts back to the rainbow forum

How big is this python? looks huge, oh boy! I have to hatchlings at home, vicious as could be! its going to be a wild ride if there the same at that size!

she is like 8 feet long. Most are a little nippy when neonates...mine is rather docile, I have heard from others you get what you give, the more you interact with a snake, the more docile it most times because it looses it's fear and the aggression along with it. Do not under estimate this snakes power...they deserve the protocol some people apply to the larger pythons. Better safe then sorry...

>>How big is this python? looks huge, oh boy! I have to hatchlings at home, vicious as could be! its going to be a wild ride if there the same at that size!
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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

I have never heard about this with womas...but I do think we do not know all that much about most boas and pythons. Most people use a certain strategy without deviating to get a desired result ( cook book approach : self included )We need to find out what is and what is not necessary...I have bred retics with and without cycling...I have several friends that bred and also I have bred colubrids with no hibernation...I must say with the colubrids there was no noticeable difference in the results...with Boids little difference...but the limited breeding's I have studied really have no concrete scientific merit due to the sample size involved...still makes one wonder...BTW my male retics started their mate searching behavior in late July/early august...I usually do not have to deal with them till sep/Oct...we live rather close so maybe the difference in temps are making them interested earlier then usual...Ball males same thing...I am already seeing the same thing you have seen with your womas...I know some of my pythons need little to no cycling 5 to 10 degrees...to get them going...but 70 to 90 also works as well...the temp thing most likely varies between species...esp with different parts of the world...best info for us is Australian data that clearly shows the 6 month difference in the snakes breeding season...I LOVE AUSTRAIN DATA.....TALK LATER...I also put them together ( some retics) to calm their hormonal asses down lol...

>>My male Womas have been trying to get to the females in the cages above them for the past couple of weeks now. Tonight, I gave in. No cooling has taken place, but the boys were starting to rub their snouts raw! Courting behavior was nearly instantaneous, even w/ the male that had shown no interest for either female this past season. This is what's happening less than an hour later.
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>>Out of curiousity, has anyone successfully bred this species without cycling them? I know there's guys that do it w/ Carpets, but I'm curious about the Womas.
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>>BTW, no more nose rubbing for the boys!
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>>"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"
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>>Mike Curtin

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Thanks,

Frank Roberts
Roberts' Realm Of Reptile Research

Just received an e-mail to "get the incubator ready" LOL. Lateralis mentioned witnessing this behavior on more than one occasion, so I'll hope for the best. I also wasn't planning on dropping my Carpets very low this year anyway. Misting, from what I've seen, has a much more pronounced effect on libido than temp manipulation alone. Although I'm not ruling out the possibility of it being a combination of the 2. I figure, if I can achieve successful propogation without having to drop temps unnecessarily low in my entire room, why not give it a shot?
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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

Hey Mike!

Yep, I've sure seen those Woma babies of yours...in fact, I've got one of em about 3 ft. away from my computer right now.

Danny boy is an eating machine!!! What a great animal he is, and you are an awesome breeder. I'm totally satifsfied with the little guy. He's eaten THREE pinkie rats since last week. And, he's almost constantly on the move.

Take care, and good luck with your new love fest. Probably more great babies to come.

Chris

Thanks Chris...make sure you don't overfeed him...I've noticed these guys will eat non-stop if you let 'em and if you push 'em too fast, they wind up pinheaded.

As for my adults, the boys have settled down and aren't showing much interest anymore, so I think I'll separate and cool them like I had originally planned.

BTW, you may get an inquiry from Paypal regarding your satisfaction w/ our transaction.
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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

Mine too. I have two pairs that both went at it today.
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