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Just thought I'd share an update on my 5 burms that hatched 3 months ago. All 5 have excellent dispositions. 2 are problem feeders & 3 are dream feeders (F/T, live, or whatever).

The parents are normals that are het for albino & labyrinth. I'll post a few brief details but a little more info and a few more pics can be seen from the link below.

This is one I call "'Lil Suzie" or "Suzie." Was smallest of clutch and is a problem feeder.

[img]http://www.happyhillbilly.com/snakes/baby_burms/suzie01.jpg[/img

This is the albino. Good & healthy at birth but another problem feeder.

Here's the normal. Excellent feeder and has a nice golden tone.

This is my 2nd favorite labyrinth. Another excellent feeder.

And last, but not least, is my favorite. Again, excellent feeder.

Here's the link to more info & photos > Baby Burms

Ya'll have a great day!
HH

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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Just thought I'd share an update on my 5 burms that hatched 3 months ago. All 5 have excellent dispositions. 2 are problem feeders & 3 are dream feeders (F/T, live, or whatever).

The parents are normals that are het for albino & labyrinth. I'll post a few brief details but a little more info and a few more pics can be seen from the link below.

This is one I call "'Lil Suzie" or "Suzie." Was smallest of clutch and is a problem feeder.

This is the albino. Good & healthy at birth but another problem feeder.

Here's the normal. Excellent feeder and has a nice golden tone.

This is my 2nd favorite labyrinth. Another excellent feeder.

And last, but not least, is my favorite. Again, excellent feeder.

Here's the link to more info & photos > Baby Burms

Ya'll have a great day!
HH

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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

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.1 wife
3.5 kids
.1 retic 15'
1. retic 2'
1. burm 11'
.1 burm 5' albino
.1 burm 9'
.1 burm 10'
.1 peruvian 9'
1.1 pervian 1'
1. pastel 5'
1. pk stripline 3'
.1 boa 8'
.1 boa 5'
.1 boa 6'
6 baby boas

They all look great, but I agree with you, that last laby is awesome. Congrats, I know what you went through on that clutch.
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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

Thanks for the compliments!

> > > I know what you went through on that clutch.

Heh, the cost of ignorance raised its ugly head on me, that's for sure. But thanks to Kelly I feel I can do better this next season.

If you've ggot the time, please check out my "Labyrinth Pattern Question" here in this same thread and chime in. I'd appreciate it!

Catch ya later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Nice little snakes! I got a kick of your website, too! Good luck with your non-feeders. You know if you try smaller prey items and dangle them like live prey....just kidding

Thanks for the compliment, Laura!

Also, thanks for the feeding tip! I'll have to try to remember that one. Ha! Ha!

If you get a chance, check out my "Labyrinth Pattern Question" in this thread and tell me what ya think. I'd appreciate it!

Later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Oh please, you want *my* opinion on a Burmese morph?! I just found out there *were* Burmese morphs this year! I'm the wrong person to ask about python morphs. Now,if you want to know about lizards....

OK, from a layperson/consumer point of view. I like many of the normals, too. I'm a biologist sort of person, so I like the natural state of things. I do breed some Sunglow corn snakes and I do get a kick out of some of the color morphs. We also breed Bearded dragons and while we do add a little color through a Sandfire crossing, I don't care for the high oranges, reds, and yellows.

When I pick out a hold back, it's usually because something has a caught my eye and may not be something that other breeders would select. If I get my sense right here, the other breeders liked the third laby because of the continuous neck stripe. Your favorite was the last one, maybe because of the business of the overall pattern. Personally, I like the albino. If I'm picking up on the laby traits correctly, the third will be more desirable because it carries the genes that will produce the striping/pattern that people want.

How's that? A bunch of nothing... :~)

Too funny! (In both humor & similarity.)

How I ended up with the parents of these:
I was looking for a normal burm for my son, for his 7th B'day. Found a local ad for "Baby burmese pythons" and met up with the guy to see them. They had nice normal patterns and he only wanted $65 each. I said, "You know, I just might want to try breeding a few years from now. Let me get a M & F."

That's when the guy said, "Oh, btw, these are het for albino/labyrinth." That meant absolutely nothing to me, I just wanted normals & was morph ignorant anyway.

By the time they matured I had been thinking about breeding to see if I could get an albino since I've always kind of liked them but wouldn't part with the $ for one. So I breed for an albino. I got one, plus, 3 labs. Ha! Ha! I've got to be one of the luckiest rascals in the burm world. Ha! Ha!

When the first one hatched ("Suzie," in the 1st pic) I didn't even know what it was until I posted a pic of it here & "jmcghee" told me. Her looooonnngg neck line threw me off.

So yeah, the albino is the "cherished" one of the clan to me & my family. After all, she was what I bred 'em for.

I just thought you'd get a kick out of that story.

Oh, btw, I've been meaning to tell you, "Quit blamin' hubby for feeding outside of the cage! Who's supposed to be the knowledgeable one in this area, you or him?" Hahahahaha!!! I know you're mostly picking at him when you say that, but us guys have to stick together, so I'm just pickin' at you.

Have a wonderful day!
Mike
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Ugh, the feeding outside of the cage issue. Every time this burm snubs food my husband pops up and says, "You know, I bet if you feed him outside again, he would eat. He just wants to stretch out and eat." I give him "the look", and he comes back with, "We did OK with the comforter." You have to picture us wrestling this huge snake that just ate to really get the effect of his statement. He's getting more info through osmosis, but he comes up with some strange comments now and again. I won't let him near any of my breeding things though. No touching the eggs, don't adjust the temps, don't even glance toward the incubator, LOL! He's pretty good about leaving that stuff alone. But, hey, you guys go ahead and stick together!

I love your story about the albino. That's us. Most of what we have has been given to us through a rescue sort of situation or acquired very cheaply because someone was tired of their pet. We get the $40 5 1/2 ft BCI that maybe isn't quite as contrasted as some of the other red-tails, but has a great disposition and is great at shows. We have a B/W tegu that is undersized and has had a broken tail. We get those kinds of beauties. Someone gave us a gorgeous Sunglow corn snake from Kathy Love that we use for breeding that is rather nasty and has a defect on his ribcage, but makes beautiful babies! The things we think are lovely are just appealing to us. The only really expensive thing my 13yo daughter would like is a piebald ball python...ouch..$$$

> > > The only really expensive thing my 13yo daughter would like is a piebald ball python...ouch..$$$

Ahh, but their price will keep dropping, although it might not ever make it down as low as the most I'd ever give for one. At least, as long as I'm sane.

Here's a photo (below) of two males that were at the '06 F.I.R.E. show at the Orlando Civic Center. Notice the price. I just saw an ad here on KS for an '07 male for $3500. I don't remember what they were going for at Daytona, I stayed away from them, tired of seeing so many BPs.

Have a good one!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

I'm "morph ignorant." I've always liked normal snakes over any of the morphs, even though there are some morphs of some snakes that I like. But I've never dove into the morph world basically due to a lack of interest. Now I'm interested (Imagine that. Ha! Ha!).

My question is:
On my baby labs, the stripes going down their neck; is this typical of juvenile labs or could it be a "green" trait, or what?

It just seems out of place, out of character, to me, to where I don't consider mine to be high quality labyrinths. What's your opinion? Even if you're not very knowledgeable about it, feel free to chime in. I'd like to get some honest opinions. Nobody's gonna hurt my feelings about it, only improve 'em, if anything.

Thanks!

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

That is a typical neck marking for a labyrinth burmese. By the way, that labyrinth in your third photo is outstanding.

Kelly

Thanks for the pattern info and compliment, Kelly!

I don't know if you remember or not but a few weeks before these eggs hatched I cut open one of the eggs that had gone flat as a pancake, thinking it was bad. It had a preemie in it and I posted about it, asking if anyone had seen anything like it.

Here's two of the pics I posted of it.

That preemie was aproximately 5 weeks old, 2 1/2 weeks premature. Seems like it's pretty safe now to assume that it was a labyrinth.

What's interesting to me is how the side pattern is pigmented but the top (back) isn't completely pigmented like the sides. Weird how the sides are first to turn color and then the back, instead of a gradual coloration/pigmentation of the whole body at the same time.

Just thought I'd share that.

Take care!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American

Hey Hillbilly, sorry it took so long to reply, was trying to get pictures of my boys. I agree with Kelly, the neck pattern is typical.

The first picture is my male albino laby that I just picked up in Daytona. I know it is hard to tell on him, but he has a very similiar neck stripe.

The second picture is my male leopard burm (green labyrinth). There has been some controversary surrounding him and my female that looks just like him. People have said that they are not homozygous green labyrinth but only het. Either way, we will prove it this year, I am breeding the albino laby male to the female leopard and the male leopard to an albino green female.

This gives you a comparison of a labyrinth pattern verses a green labyrinth pattern.

Take care.

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Randy and Michelle
Art In Scales
(719) 439-4199
info@artinscales.com

No need to apologize, Randy, this stuff can wait, family always comes first.

Yeah, I can see the stripe on the neck of the albino. I guess it's one of those things that I just never noticed before since I haven't been much into morphs before now.

Both of those snakes have nice, interesting patterns. I'm curious to see if the more solid pattern of the albino will break up very much, if at all, when combined with the leopard. Heh, man, I can see that I need to be digging into a few genetics sites. I'm interested but lacking the time.

Thanks a bunch!

Later!
HH
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Due to political correctness run amuck,
this ol' hillbilly is now referred to as an:
Appalachian American