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This seems a little to aggresive to me.

Perhaps it's just rough foreplay, but I've bred Dumerils and I've never seen behavior like that...
All the best-
Jim Lineberger
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Either you have 2 males together or something is seriously twisted! As far as cannibalistic...I've not had any issues with this, and the stories I hear USUALLY involve transporting them or keeping them together either during or immediately after feeding. I've offered up stillborns in the past and they've never taken one....have to "test the water" sometimes! They also wouldn't take chameleons which I also tried since a lot of people were saying they're problem feeders because they probably eat lizards in the wild. Oh well....SEPERATE THOSE TWO!!!!!!!

that doesn't look like courtship, looks like one is trying to make a meal of the other.
As someone else stated, maybe you have two males?
I hope they are okay! Good luck!
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>>that doesn't look like courtship, looks like one is trying to make a meal of the other.
>>As someone else stated, maybe you have two males?
>>I hope they are okay! Good luck!
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>>'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

I did seperate them after those photos. I have this problem with trusting people to correctly sex snakes. I guess I will have to probe them. I think they must be two males.

since they are dumerils all you have to do is look for spurs males have them females dont easy as pie also with them i have heard cause they are a short tail boa that pobing gives off false readings just look for spurs

I guess I will be selling two male's for cheap next year when I renew my account.

Adam, after you verify if you have two males, contact John Skipper. I know he was selling off a lot of his collection and he has some nice Dumerils. He has a sponsor link above this forum. Pick up a female and atleast try to get some offspring. Those two look like they're ready to go! Good luck!

My friend has a female and I will send one of my males home with him if he wants. I have spent way to much over the last several years to buy any more snakes. I need to thin down my collection also.

I would separate them, too.
I've kept and bred dumeril's and they were always mellow. Agressive feeders and breeders once they got older, but always cool towards other snakes-even in breeding.
I had a pair in with a group of colombians at the time, but the males didn't bother each other at all. I theorize that the presence of the other male stimulated breeding, but they never did the “combat thing” to anything.
I hope they both turn out okay!
Maybe you have an improperly sexed male. Their tales are a lot fatter than colombians so maybe they didn't probe right.
Aaron

They both show good size spurs, and going by how they reacted with each other I'm pretty sure they are both males. They wern't even together for more than 20 minutes. I'm not even going to bother with probing them. I just plan on selling them.

Like TimS said, if they have spurs they're definite males. I'd have to go count to tell you for sure how many Dumerils I have at this point, and can't begin to guess how many I've had over the years, but I've NEVER had a female with spurs! If you're wanting to thin down, you probably don't want to produce a litter of Dumerils anyway. That's the reason I backed off breeding them, they just don't move that well unless you want to wholesale them and sometimes those buyers don't even need more. I figure why produce more than what people need/want. The bad part is that somebody hosed you on those animals! I wouldn't be real happy about that. Take care

Paul

no one bought them as a piar from me this year. I would have looked like a jerk

Years ago I separated 2.2 Dums for cleaning and made the mistake of putting back 2.0 together and that is the exact image of what I ended up with!
I would re-sex that pair.
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With known 1.1 pairs. It seemed like my incident was a feeding response though. Was bringing feeders into my room to feed younger stuff during breeding season and my male grabbed my female by the head, same thing as your situation. I got them appart, and seperated them for a week, then put them together again and it was fine, good luck with your situation!! Did you have food items in the room?? Had there been any food in the cage recently enough to leave scent on the substrate??

This happens alot more then people think,We had a proven BCL pair latch up like this last season. Speaking with a few reputable names they confirmed prior experiences themselves when working with BCI,BCC,BCL etc.

Conclusion: Some like it ruff

>>With known 1.1 pairs. It seemed like my incident was a feeding response though. Was bringing feeders into my room to feed younger stuff during breeding season and my male grabbed my female by the head, same thing as your situation. I got them appart, and seperated them for a week, then put them together again and it was fine, good luck with your situation!! Did you have food items in the room?? Had there been any food in the cage recently enough to leave scent on the substrate??
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TnK

yourself "some like it rough"

Strangely I heard the same "phrase" from three different sources
in less then two days time (so it stuck)
As long as one is certain the pair in question is in "fact" a male/female pair then one should allow or whatever "differences" between them be settled on their terms in their time.
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TnK

LOL! This just goes to show that people don't look at other replies before adding their own. I used to wonder why people would get 5 responses giving the same advice?!?! Before Mike even replied,everything had been figured out. They were two males! Food responses do happen, but generally if you put two male Dumerils together during breeding season, this is what happens.

Yes,
But in MY case it was a definate 1.1 pair. This was in my response, sorry for any confusion.

There is NO confusion as this was in your response as well....

"Did you have food items in the room?? Had there been any food in the cage recently enough to leave scent on the substrate??"

I'm not singling you out, I was simply commenting on a trend I have noticed.

Your so much kinder then the Old School hands I listen to
They dont refer to it as "trend" LOL!!

>>There is NO confusion as this was in your response as well....
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>>"Did you have food items in the room?? Had there been any food in the cage recently enough to leave scent on the substrate??"
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>>I'm not singling you out, I was simply commenting on a trend I have noticed.
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TnK

Yeah, it's more than that, but if someone doesn't already see it for themselves, there's no point trying to explain it!

TendashFour !

>>Yeah, it's more than that, but if someone doesn't already see it for themselves, there's no point trying to explain it!
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TnK