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so called "snake charmers" `

goregrind Sep 11, 2007 06:51 PM

i know they aent realing "charming" the cobra

what i want to know is how they treat the snakes, i know that culture worships cobras, but i was debating with some people who strongly believe that they cobras are starved and dehydrated and abused until they die

whats the real story, i think the cobras are well cared for, what do you guys think?
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
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Replies (8)

herpsltd Sep 11, 2007 07:06 PM

personally seen and examined the stock of "snake charmers" in India and Sri Lanka most of the snakes I saw were in rather poor condition. I suspect that the better looking ones were just more recently collected...The ones I saw were NOT well taken care of...TC

goregrind Sep 12, 2007 04:55 AM

do you think they dont know any better or is it true neglect?
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jake

my addiction:
0.2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
0.1 amelenistic corn snake (maizy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)
1.0 albino cal king (zeus)
0.0.1 wc garter (zim)
hybrid breeders association
hybrid haven

herpsltd Sep 12, 2007 05:57 AM

They don't know and most don't care. These "snake charmers" are not religiously motivated but financially motivated to perform these acts. Vishnu and Shiva[ Hindu Gods] are involved in Hinduism and cobras to some extent in some sects. Charming snakes in public has nothing to do with the religious application of these beliefs. I've seen them with fangs scraped out, mouths sewn shut, some intact but in horrible condition. Most use other snakes as well in these acts[ pythons, sand boas, Ptyas Ratsnakes, Russell Vipers, etc. ]. The one common denominator is that most are in poor condition....TC

psilocybe Sep 12, 2007 05:38 PM

you have to take in account the quality of life many snake charmers themselves are forced to deal with. Being Indian by descent, and having visited many times, I have seen some snake charmers with animals that appeared to be in good condition, but like you said, they are likely freshly caught animals. The thing you have to consider is that for these people, "snake charming" is the only means by which they can put food on their table, and they barely are able to do that. The animals are nothing more than a means to do so. It's unreasonable to expect someone to care about taking care of an animal when they can barely do so for themselves and their families.

It's extremely easy for us here to cry animal abuse, animal exploitation, etc. when we are in the comfort of our upper-middle class lifestyles (even lower class here in the U.S. is extreme upper class to these people). I'd wager every cent I have that ANYONE would do the exact same things if they had to in order to provide for themselves and their families, even if the animals' welfare was at stake. Why would anyone be concerned about the welfare of a snake when their life is essentially hanging on a thread? Besides, it's not like these guys can go down to Petco and pick up some rats for their charges...some keep 'em till they die and collect new ones, others do their best to care for their charges.

While as a snake lover and animal lover in general, it pains me to see animals in these conditions, I also have to think about the people themselves, and try and look at it from their point of view. To them, the few rupees they may be able to collect a day from "charming" a snake with it's mouth sewn shut is the only thing that prevents themselves and their families from starving to death.

herpsltd Sep 12, 2007 06:15 PM

to the choir. I agree 100% with you. I wish more Americans could see living conditions in many areas of the world. These people want the same things we do for their families except they don't have choices. Some of the best field herpers I've ever seen are some tribals. I've seen them actually track snakes in areas very hard to walk much less track. The leading energy shortage in the world is not oil but trees that are used to make charcoal for cooking. I didn't mean any disrespect just tried to answer the questions that were asked. In fact they freely shared their food and housing with me even though by our standards it was meager. In other words I was impressed and humbled by many of them. Thanks for the post...TC

psilocybe Sep 13, 2007 03:49 AM

TC,

My post wasn't in direct response to you...it was more of a general post. I'm sure, being that you have visited India and similar countries, that you are aware of the plight of the people who depend on activities like snake charming to provide for their families.

It disappoints me sometimes when I see posts that are derogatory towards people in those countries because of the perceived way they treat the animals...again, it's easy for us here, in the comfort of our privledged lifestyles to critcise those who have a minor fraction of what we do.

Again, the post I made wasn't directed towards you. I wish everyone who jump to conclusions about people in third world countries could see some of the things you and I have seen.

Abhishek Prasad

Senior Sep 13, 2007 11:01 AM

I have a lot of sympathy for these people, balanced by an amount of revulsion at the grotesque over-population in certain parts of the world.

Look at some of the island paradises in the carribean, the only reason they have so much poverty is that they have 10x as many people crammed onto the land as it is meant to support.

Like filling a small aquarium with about 30 Bearded Dragons and wondering why they are all dying.

herpsltd Sep 13, 2007 01:54 PM

were LUCKY enough to be born in a land of plenty. Its NOT the fault of the people who live there. They're dealing with the hand they were dealt in life. NONE OF US WOULD DO BETTER, IN FACT MOST OF US WOULD DIE!! Do you have any suggestions on how to solve their problems? I always think," there but by the grace of god goes I". I have lived with poor people in emerging nations sometimes for weeks on end and I have a great deal of respect for what they have to go through. It is unwise to criticize what you can't hope to even understand...TC

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