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After researching, owning and contemplating, I have decided to invest into something I love to do. I am looking to purchase a sexed pair of GTPs yearlings (instead of adults based on price). I have an unsexed Biak and want to get someone’s opinion on the markings/colors that one would desire for breeding. I have been to many breeder’s sites and there are so many different kinds. The one I have I am hoping, is a female and could have 2 broods in a year or two.

Thanks

It all depends on personal taste really. Some people like the 'type animals and breed types together to hopefully bring out the best examples of phenotypes that type is known for. Whether it be stripes, white scales, blue highlights...etc. Some people spend the necessary cash on certain bloodlines that are prone to throwing offspring with certain traits. It all comes down to what you are aiming to produce.

Me personally, I am building my collection right now to encompass some high yellow lines, super blue lines, and melanistic animals for me to breed in nother two years. If I were in your position I would go for some biak/highland type crosses. Or some Biak/Merauke crosses. From the clutches I have seen (and a few I have purchased from), Biak outcrosses seem to throw some real beautiful animals. However, I would try to throw a red parent somewhere in the mix, so you can get a mix of babies, to maximize the different phenotypical expressions you can see. Look around the morelia viridis forums and you can see some really nice biak outcross animals that range from crazy high yellows, blues, and tricolors.

Steve

Steve,

That was awesome. Thank you very much for the information. I think Spruce Nubble Farms has a nice selection but are a bit pricy. If you know of or are a breeder, please let me know.

Thanks again!

Kenny

Kenny,

I am not a breeder yet, I am in the process of building my breeding group. However, I am more concerned with bloodlines than I am with immediacy, so I have just tried to keep an eye out on new clutches that are from bloodlines that I want to further propagate. I am positive that the breeders I have purchased from here recently still have some available neos (some have yearlings without a doubt as well). I would recommend without a moments hesitation:

Kim Burge (she has some neos available from a pairing that has produced some very nice high yellows and tri-colors in the past)...Her website is www.southernchondros.com. She is a very very nice woman who will undoubtedly help you in your search or point you in the right direction.

Hillary Webb has some yearlings currently from a first time pairing with outstanding genetics, and it looks like there will be some very nice high yellows from that clutch. Her website is www.captivebredpythons.com

Of course you can never go wrong with Greg Maxwell at finegtps.com. He has multiple neos available now that encompass
several great bloodlines.

There are several people with really great quality snakes available at www.moreliaviridis.com, and everyone present on that site would be more than happy to help you find what you are looking for. I would check this site first if I were you.

-The key is to get captive bred animals to save yourself future headache, and heartache...Welcome to the addiction.

Kenny, I have to chime in here. You think their animals are pricey? In reality, you get what you pay for and you pay for what you get. I would much rather spend $200-300 more on an established yearling, or sometimes older animal, than risk a $300 import. Although I do have several imports in my collection, they are not for the first-time chondro owner. Choose a dedicated breeder and you won't regret paying a little more. In the long run, that import is going to cost the same or more than a true CBB chondro. BTW, I don't really consider a chondro pricey until you get to the $3-5K price range. How much do you think these are worth???
2004 adult I produced.

2006 completed change.

2006 completed change.

Sometimes a little extra will go a long way. Good luck in the search.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Brandon,

Man I have to get one of your SCZ animals one day. I wnt to your website for the first time last night (didnt know you had one), and man did you strike breeding combination gold (figuratively and literally). You have some really really really nice high hellow snakes. Safe to say that Summer was no oddity for that pairing. My question is how do the red babies from your SCZ pairings turn out? I think I have only seen one (gumball???).

I just started dropping more than a $1000 on chondros this past year, and honestly once you do, you realize what a really nice bloodline, and a breeder backed captive bred animal is really worth. However, with that being said...it took a sh*tty experience with an import to teach me that. So I guess everyone has to come to that conclusion in their own way.

Thanks! I can safely say I struck gold with my SCZ pair. They are getting up there in age, but I have lots of animals that I held back over the years. I have two young girls out on loan for this season, and I will say the males they are being paired with are SMOKIN! Great bloodlines go a very long way.

I totally agree with "learning from your mistakes", although I still haven't learned. I think imports can be a good thing as long as they have a special quality. Buying imports just to save a buck is, IMHO, not a wise decision....especially for a first time chondro owner.

BTW, to answer your question on maroon SCZ babies, here's an '06 that was originall sold, but the deal fell through.....lucky for me.


Here are a couple other maroon '06 animals.

And this one is keeping the white diamonds.

And my most recent mistake. An import Cyclops Mt. female. This girl looks so much better in person.

On a side note, I would strongly advise anyone considering chondros to steer away from imports. They are not for the beginner and sometimes not for the advanced. They have their problems and you must be ready for them. Already the Cyclops girl has a small vet bill and is being treated for parasites....strongyle and tapeworm. Strict quarantine protocol must be followed for a minimum of 6 months for me and sometimes up to 2 years if necessary. I might be a little anal about things, but I have put too much time and effort into my collection to ruin things by being lazy. Most people call it a breeder sales tactic, yet I have nothing available right now, and probably won't for another year or more. Some people will always feel the need to learn on their own. To those I say good luck.

Thanks again.
Brandon Osborne

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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Sorry to hijack the thread but, Brandon, those are some HOT offspring. I hope some of mine turn out that nice. Here's a recent one of one of my yearling hopefuls:

Southern Chondros

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Kimberly Burge
Southern Chondros

Thank you to everyone for your advice. Looks like I won't be getting cages, rather tubs to help with the costs. Addicting it is. Popular too I have noticed having spent the entire day searching the internet. I hope my IT Dept. hasn't been monitoring me...haha. Seems to be a saturated market as well. Looks like I'll have to go out and spread the word once I get going. Thanks again Everyone!

I forgot to add...I have decided to find a Merauke to cross with my Biak.

Saturated with imports yes.....CBB I don't really think so. I've noticed a trend in the last couple of years that some people have to compete with import prices in order to sell "locality" type animals. With designer or rare locale types, you usually don't see the "market saturation". When you get into designer pricing, $1000-5000 per hatchling, most are usually out the door before hatching......especially from very nice pairings. BTW, the Merauke X Biak project is a great way to start. Good luck and be sure to make more room......you're going to need it.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Steve - I meant to say thank you for the kinds words in your previous post.

kk - I would agree completely agree that you need to go captive bred until you are a bit more comfortable with the species. You mentioned Merauke in your last post and I'm sure you're aware the the ones with the complete white dorsal stripe are not US captive bred. No one's quite figured out how to get those beautiful white scales to show up in captive bred offspring. I understand the attraction as I also think they are strikingly beautiful locality. The white on Arus ranks high on my list too...

Southern Chondros

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Kimberly Burge
Southern Chondros

I actually didn't know that. Thanks you. I was hoping to get some blue in there. I was thinking that a nice Jayapura would work nice as well. I was also thinking raising straight blooded Biaks as well. My short term goal is to make enough this round to take a step up (quality)next year....and so on. Any opions on this logic?

Thanks!

If you are working with unknown animals and aren't 100% sure they are CBB, don't count on breeding them just yet. Lots of ads are very misleading when it comes to "ADULT READY TO BREED" animals. My Cyclops was advertised as a 3 year old adult near breeding size and she has at least another 2 years of growing to do. Luckily she has a great appetite.

The best advice I can give you is to take your time and don't expect anything. Just enjoy your animals for what they are. Breeding and producing babies will be an added reward for keeping your animals healthy and happy......although with some Biaks, we know they're never happy.

Good luck and enjoy.

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Kim, I love your website. I took everyone's advise and came up with my own. I just bought a Merauke male 2 yrs, a Sorong female 2 yrs and a Aru female 2 years. Im getting them nice and big (not fat) for next year and think I will buy a breeding male Sorong and see what comes of that. My poor credit card! Brandon is right.

"advice" is what I meant

2.1.1 GTP
0.0.1 Western Hognose
1.1 Homo Sapien
Fish, Termites, Etc.

Kim, I can alreay tell that animal is going to be HOT! Sissy and Rodney have a proven track record and one of my good friends has a sib to Rodney that is.....let's say on a higher standard than the average chondro. If I can get a good photo opp, I'll sure try. He's very HY and a total puppy. Keep up the great work and post more pics!

Brandon Osborne
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

>>After researching, owning and contemplating, I have decided to invest into something I love to do. I am looking to purchase a sexed pair of GTPs yearlings (instead of adults based on price). I have an unsexed Biak and want to get someone’s opinion on the markings/colors that one would desire for breeding. I have been to many breeder’s sites and there are so many different kinds. The one I have I am hoping, is a female and could have 2 broods in a year or two.
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>>Thanks

Personally I am going with a combo of blood lines & looks. What I mean by blood lines if you look at the big name breeders like Greg Maxwell who has snakes related to some of the first chondros imported into the US. Personally I like the looks of the Sorong Type and hope to get some of these. Biaks have some crazy looking colors and patterns and these are normally easier to spot since they only live on an island but even still without proper documentation it is only a Type. Honestly there isn’t really a GTP I don’t like the key is knowing what the parents look like once you know that more then likely you will know what your yearling's will turn out like.
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."

I decided to buy adults
1 Aru
1 Sorang or Juyapura

Seeing around $750 on average.

I'll post Pics as they come in.