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Hypo/Leucistic Burms

DMexotics Sep 16, 2007 05:16 PM

The pic requests for the leucistic burms for some reason are not being posted for all to see. The images I have posted here are mine and were taken last week. It has been frustrating for me to read the requests and comments on the validity of the claim of a white snake so I am going to shed some light on the subject. Regardless of what I know or don't know, there definitely is a lot to learn and further breeding needs to be done. I DO know that the politics that surround high end projects such as this are astounding to put it nicely and I will leave it at that.

The original hypo burms were brought in around December 2005. They came from one source in SE Asia. They were definite hypos. They were lighter over-all, sort of a honey color. The sides white-washed. The eyes were really what set them apart from what I see today, almost like the orange eye of a retic. I am going to leave names out of this but these were proven to produce a lighter snake, nearly leucistic at birth, but later darkened a little bit. I have not personally seen this animal at this point in its life, but I have been told by several people that it is a very beautiful, light colored animal, regardless of what it might be categorized as.

I obtained a small group of more true hypo burms from the same source a few weeks ago. They have all of the traits of the above mentioned animals that came initially. They are more than likely siblings to the 05's, just have not been fed to the standards that we are accustomed to.

This is where things get interesting. There are patternless, blue eyed leucistics. They do exist. As the story goes, the siblings to these leucy's not only share the traits of the hypos I have here and the ones brought in two years ago, but they are many times lighter and even more faded out(see pics). I cannot say for certain if the initial hypos are related in any way to the true leucy's or extreme hypo sibs.

I do not own, nor have the rights to post any pictures of the darker eyed hets posted on forums and seen for sale but if you have not seen them, scroll down a few posts or check the classifieds. Their story has not been shared with me so I have no information on them. Well, I do have information on them but I have been told very different stories so I am not going to comment. I did see one in person last weekend at NARBC, and without a doubt, it looks very different from my hypos that produced the phantom/platinum leucistic by another breeder here in the U.S. They also are not the "extreme" hypos still in Asia that are sitting there along with the true leucistics. There very well could be two distinct lines as well as different grades of hypos and even hypo sibs. The source still adamantly holds true to his statement that no animals, aside from those back in 2005 and the ones I have here now, have been exported overseas. I suppose I might ask to see import paperwork if I was to invest in a project such as this. Again, I am not the authority on the subject and until more breeding has been done, no one will be. Regardless, it is very exciting and pics are here to prove that there is a leucistic burm, actually a sexual pair(still watermarking a couple of photos that I will post as follow-ups)

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DMexotics Sep 16, 2007 09:20 PM

Here is an additional pic of the leucistic burms....a sexual pair.

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fangs28 Sep 17, 2007 08:23 AM

n/p

foxturtle Sep 20, 2007 10:11 PM

...they still have yellow coloration on their dorsum. Not quite leucistic, I guess.

Chance Sep 21, 2007 05:00 PM

Anyone else think these things are strikingly similar to the mojave/lesser/butter traits in ball pythons. The overall light washing that doesn't exactly scream hypo but something a little more is, to my anyway, very remniscent of a lesser-type color. Those blue eyed leucies certainly look similar to the blue eyed leucy bps as well. I'm betting it's the same trait. Regardless of what it is though....any giant mostly white snake would be a phenomenon to behold! Those animals are all gorgeous.
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BigJim55 Sep 17, 2007 12:20 PM

Very nice Dan! If I am not mistaken Beau Lewis brought in the first hypos your talking about, I have a story I can tell you about them when I talk to you next. From these pics I may have a sale or two on your hypos! Regards, Big Jim

BurnziesBalls8 Sep 17, 2007 02:35 PM

wow those are very very impressive looking.
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artinscales Sep 17, 2007 02:40 PM

Here are pictures of the pair of het leucistics that we purchased. The are very similar in coloration as the one you posted. Definately not as dark as the one next to the light one. As we discussed on the phone, the het leucistics seem to go through a dark and light phase. It seems the lighter ones were exported as well.

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BigJim55 Sep 22, 2007 10:00 PM

Do these burms have allot of red in there eye color or is this just the flash?

BigJim55 Sep 22, 2007 10:04 PM

Yours are the real deal Dan but there are other hypo looking Burms that are just that not het for lucisitic and as we talked about everyone has to be very careful in dealing with some people and there animals. Big Jim

DMexotics Sep 23, 2007 07:12 PM

These are pics of a male and female. I just shot these in outdoor light with no flash. I took some of the eyes as well.

In regards to them producing leucistics, that claim has never been made by me. These are hypos...obviously. A very small amount of breeding has produced a very odd "morph". At this point, of the small amount of breeding done with this particular line of hypos, we have only seen the result of a very small sampling of eggs. Various factors have caused the demise of eggs as well as small clutches. Personally, in connecting the dots, I think there may be some interesting twists in store for those involved in these projects.

As for ethics, I have chosen to not make promises on animals that I was not actively involved in breeding. These came from overseas as did the majority of what you are referring to. I am assuming that the others were involved enough in the breeding that they are comfortable with making those claims with the hets they have sold or are offering for sale.


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