well those who remember i have the few baby carpets who decided they dont like eating lol but took advice from all over the board and this is the second try since advice was givin and so far 1 of the babies that ate right away but never again since ate again and one of the non feeders ate. so out of four problem feeders one has eatin twice and i think will continue on and one just took first meal the food has been in cage for about a hour before anythign happened but i heard bam and squeek so i knew what happened lol. ill check again in mourning and update then. thanks for the tips guys not perfect yet but we are on our way