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i was never one to think much of the prices of balls dropping as they seemed to drop with reason as i religiously followed kingsnake prices and started my collection. no wi havn't been her in awhile and i cant beleive how much everything has dropped it rediculous. i alwys read the market threads and didnt take much of it but i boufght a spider male 1 1/2 years ago and think i paid like 11 /1200 for it which was going rate then i saw them drop to like 8 900 and thought you know thats reasonable but 400 thats just ridiculous and albino females for under 1k hey awere always like 1500-2000. i guess im just disgusted ND CANT BELEIVE THINGS HAVE GONE THIS LOW OVER LAST YEAR i guess just abig wow. love the snakes i have but definitely no way to think of any of them as an investment to turn aprofit. just my two cents
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GOOSEBALLS

lamina1982@hotmail.com

People hate these topics and I'm usually right along with them. This is the first i've ever responded to a "sky is faling" type of thread and I just wanted to say I agree with you...

...this is getting pretty silly. Prices are all over the place and/or dropping at alarming rates. You'd be pretty crazy to get into balls at this point. YOu'd be better off waiting for things to stabalize for a couple years.

just my opinion, of course.

Jason

now just think if you spent 9g or more for that Spider
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

man it really makes me think about getting into balls, this topic is really what I have been wondering about because I cant believe Im seeing say het albino pairs for like $300, i remember like last yr I was saying I wont be able to get a pair of those for a long time

It reminds me of the gambling addage, "never bet what you can't afford to lose". I really don't think that balls should be looked at as a money making thing, not I look at it more as an expensive hobby..lol. Unless you can afford to buy the hottest new recessive and get a jump start on future projects, you probably can't make a ton of money back. By the time I can afford a morph, everyone else can.
To me, recessives are going to keep the value longer. Sure Albino prices have dropped, but look at how long they have been around, compared to spiders and pastels. you can get a female pastel for $250, you still can't get an albino female for even double or triple that.(and albino's have been around a LOT longer)

john

female pastels are 200 even....males at around 90 even....that really sucks....and you can get female albinos for double the 250......you might just have to buy a few of them....

they mentioned a spider at 2 years ago......they were 5000 then....

..........what we need now is a ball that tastes like chicken..
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you must remember that albinos are the homozygous form and pastels are the het. super pastels, black ball/super cinnys, super mojaves all still cost more than albinos. quit complaining and put in the time to produce animals that not everyone has or animals that are better quality than what everyone else has and you will have not problem selling your babies for premium prices.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.0 spider
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I agree.

Nice morphs are now available to people with less money, and people just getting started in the hobby. I see that as a good thing.

Homozygous recessives, and morph combos will continue to demand high prices. There's plenty of future in the $1k-$5k range, you just have to move forward producing more and more beautiful snakes each year.

There's room for a lot of profit at even $500 a hatchling for the home breeder at least.

Seriously guys. OK.......you paid $1200 for your spider male, and now they are around $500. If you produce just 3, you make your money back. Everything else is PROFIT. What about the females you hold back? Free. What about the crosses you do with them? Free. What about EVERY SPIDER you produce from here on out? Free. What about all the new morphs you buy/trade for from your profit? Free. And the investment KEEPS ON GOING. There aren't many investments out there in the business world that don't take at LEAST a few years to pay off. And we can do it the first time we breed our animals? Hate to be rude......but again......"wah wah wah, I can't make my money back with one offspring." All I do for a living is breed snakes.....I love this business. The investments work, and anyone can do it. All they need is to have the guts to invest, and the willingness to work at it. Take care of your animals, and they will take care of you........

three cheers to that
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Cheers!
• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)