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lousy pic, but first look at anery arizona mountain king hatchling

rtdunham Aug 21, 2003 07:18 PM

I hatched two of these last week from hets produced from the wild-caught anery male i got from ric blair. these "anerythristics" retain even more pink than anery hondurans. I've long argued those (the hondurans) are actually hypoerythristic, as Louis Porras first observed, but anerythristic has stuck with the hondos. I'd say the same is true with the pyros: they're really hypoerythristics. Time'll tell what term sticks.

I mismanaged the male this year, btw (waited too long to put him with females) but next year i'll know better and should do better! I got only one het this year, now happily in jeff teel's hands--he's posted pix of it here--plus three babies from a het x het pair--the two in this pic plus a second anery sib.

As was the case with the hondos, a new morph (in this case, the anery) creates exciting new opportunities for combining with the existing applegate, hypo (two types?) and albino morphs: an "applegate special" version of this animal (without black except on the head); a snow version--like the albinos, cream and white but with a soft pink instead of red; and a ghost version that's a little harder to predict--brown instead of black rings, like a hypo, but pink instead of red? Or will the reduction of red result in gray rings instead of brown? That'll depend on a couple of things, including whether the red that shows in hypos' dark rings is the result of melanin or erythrin, and then if the latter, on whether or not the anery morph affects red in those dark rings too, or only in the red rings. Hope that makes sense. More things to learn by doing...

terry
albino tricolors
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Replies (5)

daveboyle Aug 21, 2003 09:32 PM

Terry-
Exciting stuff!
The former High Mountain Reptiles, I believe operating out of Utah, used to offer an anerythristic mountain king, do you know if it is the same/different subspecies?
peace,
dB

rtdunham Aug 21, 2003 11:23 PM

>>Terry-
>>Exciting stuff!
>>The former High Mountain Reptiles, I believe operating out of Utah, used to offer an anerythristic mountain king, do you know if it is the same/different subspecies?
>>peace,
>>dB

i believe that was axanthic zonata agalma.
terry

jeph Aug 21, 2003 10:22 PM

Hey Terry,
First of all I'm just glad that this gene bred true. But yes, I agree, but with hondos and a decade of them being called anerys it wont change, it would confuse people too, But with the pyros lets let it be known. They are not anerythristic, if they were they would be stark black and white, you know that and so do a lot of other people i bet. So since there is still color in them, just a very reduced faded color, we should call them hypoerythristic-(spelling ?, its late) and I think your correct in what it would look like as a double morph crossed with the albino. As to the hypo though, who knows ?, maybe have that hypo brown-but a little darker-(like some hypos already are) and the red being a lighter version of the hypoerythristic faded red/orange color with bright white bands, maybe ?, but the best looking will be the hypoerythristic-applegate-no black, just the faded red/orange with white and a black head cap.
Then there will be an albino-applegate, as a baby I think that snake will be very neat looking, since there is no black except for the head, thats the only place we will se white on it, the rest of the bands will be bright yellow and red, I think that one will be neat. Lots of time though to see any of this, thats the great thing about pyros, it takes atleast 3 years for breeding-(I know sometimes its sooner, I bred a female this year and got fertile eggs from her and she was a 2000 hatch) but some even take longer than 3 years, so theres gonna be some long waits i bet, but thats cool i think, keeps the anticipation level at high.
Jeff Teel

mwelsh3 Aug 23, 2003 08:55 AM

One of the great attributes of the pyro is the lack of tipping in the white. This should mean that any "ghost" derived from either applegate or traditional hypo will be clean. So unlike the hondo's there should be no need for refinement (in that regard at least).
In terms of colour the mind boggles (at least mine does) can you imagine how cool a pink and white (with no tipping) pyro would look? (kinda like a snow hondo without the pink eyes - maybe)
CONGRATULATIONS TERRY, IN YEARS TO COME I HOPE WE CAN LOOK BACK AND ONLY MARVEL AT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVING THIS TRAIT TO BE GENETIC.
With regards the name, I agree on the correctness of "hypoerythristic" but struggle to see how it will stick. If we really feel the need to drop anery then shouldn't we also be pressing for reclassification of albino to amelanistic, and so on......?
But hey, what do I know? I'm just a dumb limey! (thought I'd get that in before you did!)

rtdunham Aug 23, 2003 03:28 PM

>>In terms of colour the mind boggles (at least mine does) can you imagine how cool a pink and white (with no tipping) pyro would look? (kinda like a snow hondo without the pink eyes - maybe)
agreed!
>>N YEARS TO COME I HOPE WE CAN LOOK BACK AND ONLY MARVEL AT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVING THIS TRAIT TO BE GENETIC.
agreed!
>>With regards the name, I agree on the correctness of "hypoerythristic" but struggle to see how it will stick. If we really feel the need to drop anery then shouldn't we also be pressing for reclassification of albino to amelanistic, and so on......?
agreed!
>>But hey, what do I know? I'm just a dumb limey! (thought I'd get that in before you did!)
agreed!

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