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It seems like just last year I had never even heard od motley stripe corns. By this I mean those expressing the motley AND stripe gene. Was it just recently discovered that they are allelic? I personally don't like the look of them but I suppose it is a faster way to produce them....
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As I recall, this has been known for the last few years but very few people breed them as the results are difficult to predict. I've even heard that the homo stripes that come from a pair of hetero mot/stripes look rather poor when compared to stripes that never had mot in their lineage. Perhaps someone else would have some photos showing this.
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The motley/stripe allelic relationship has been fairly well understood for the better part of the last ten years, at least. I don't know anything about homozygous stripes from motley/stripe parents beings less attractive than other stripes...but that would probably be the conclusion of very anecdotal evidence.

Theoretically, the genes are the same as far as the pattern is concerned, regardless of the parents of origin. What I HAVE seen is people thinking they have a homozygous stipe, but really have a mildly expressed motley/stripe, and THAT animal is less stiking than is the homozygous stripe animal would be.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Hmmm... that could well be what was meant by the people I was talking with. This is very likely since I myself have yet to see any pictures or live specimens of homo stripes with mot ancestry.
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You need alot of luck to get a stripe looking snake from motley-stripe. This one is close.

I produce lots of NICE stripeds from motleys het for stripe. Not all stripes are "good" stripes regardless of the origin. What you are probably hearing about or the "broken" stripes or things people erroneously call "cubed motleys" which was a name originally applied to something ELSE.

Either way, those can be spit out by good stripe X good stripe, too. Basically, if you have a crappy stripe line (not completely striped) - it tends to produce low quality looking stripeds - regardless of if it has the motley allele running around or not.

>>As I recall, this has been known for the last few years but very few people breed them as the results are difficult to predict. I've even heard that the homo stripes that come from a pair of hetero mot/stripes look rather poor when compared to stripes that never had mot in their lineage. Perhaps someone else would have some photos showing this.
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>>"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
>>J.R.R. Tolkien
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KJUN Snakehaven

the motley gene and the stripe gene are the same. they are not differant in anyway except that the stripes are more refined through line breeding and motley is the less refined more abberant pattern.
now you can breed two stripes and get a motley or two but the chances are less but you can also breed two motlies and get a perfectly good striper. when you breed the more refined stripes together the chances are higher of getting good stripes but they sometimes get broken up a little.
their are differant types of motley also, hurricane for example.
adam jeffery
here is a pic of my stripe ghosts and a pic of my hurricane anery
the ghosts come from parents that always throw just stripes with an occasional broken stripe(from deon collins dnk reptiles)

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1.1 puebladurans
1.1 sinacorns
1.1 hypo corns
1.1 crimson corns
1.1 striped ghosts
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.1 albino corns
1.1 childrens python
1.3 ghost corns
2.2 butter(both females motley)
1.0 snow corns
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 house snake
0.1 anery pueblacorn
0.1 bloodred
0.1 eastern milk (eatin pinks)
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
0.1 hypo tang hondo
0.1 rosy boa

Stripe and motley are different genes, though they are allelic to one another.

If you breed a homozygous stripe to another homozygous stripe, you cannot get anything other than homozygous striped offspring...no motlies are possible.

What happens is that there are so-called striped/motlies (which may, or may not actually carry the striped gene, by the way) which look remarkably similar to homozygous stripes to many keepers. When those animals are bred to each other, or to striped animals, THEN you can get motley looking offspring, but that is only because one (or both) of the parents have been misidentified.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

>>Stripe and motley are different genes, though they are allelic to one another.

Actually, there are the same gene (same locus). They are different alleles. Just like like you have a gene for hair color, but you can have brown alleles or blond alleles. You just have THREE alleles for this gene: (1)stripe, (2) motley, and (3) normal.

>>If you breed a homozygous stripe to another homozygous stripe, you cannot get anything other than homozygous striped offspring...no motlies are possible.

Correct - completely....unless a striped motley is MISIDENTIFIED as a striped. This happens MUCH more than I like to think about. I believe this is why there is so much confusion.

>>What happens is that there are so-called striped/motlies (which may, or may not actually carry the striped gene, by the way) which look remarkably similar to homozygous stripes to many keepers.

Bingo. That's what I was re-enforcing above. Just count me as a "me, too" on all of this data.

Motleys and "striped motleys" can BOTH be heterozygous for stripe (but neither HAVE to be). If one of those motleys het for stripe are bred to a snake that is striped or ALSO het for striped, you should get motleys AND stripeds. Simple, eh?

KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven

If I misapplied the term "gene" when I should have used "allele," I apologize. I don't intend to muddy the water on this any further.

I completely agree that much of the confusion arises from the breeding of striped/motlies misidentified as homozygous striped animals.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

>>If I misapplied the term "gene" when I should have used "allele," I apologize. I don't intend to muddy the water on this any further.
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>>I completely agree that much of the confusion arises from the breeding of striped/motlies misidentified as homozygous striped animals.
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One of the reasons I hate the name motley/stripe or stripe/motley
If they show the motley patterning, no matter how elongated the saddles they should be called motleys.
If they show the stripe patterning they should be called stripe.
There is a visual difference between a stripe and a motley.Even those motleys with what people call striping.
If you breed motley to motley and get some motleys with long saddles, they are still motleys. Even if one saddle stretches half the length, or more, of the body it is still a motley.
If you breed a stripe and a motley together you will get motleys. From everything I have read, seen or heard it seems apparent that motley is dominant to stripe. Some of those motleys may have stripes but if you compare those to a true stripe you can see the difference.
I bred/breed motley to stripe and although some have long stripes or even almost complete striping I can still only call them motleys het stripe. Simple reason...breed a stripe to a motley you get motleys (visually)...breed those motleys (het stripe) together and you can get motleys or true stripes.
keep breeding the stripe parent to the motley parent and you will still always get motleys. They may have varying degrees of striping but they wont be full or true stripes, they will be motley.
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hi while your on this subject.this corn hatched out of a pair of my motley sunglows this year.is she striped or motley striped?what is the dif? parents are south mountian stock and don't know if they are het for anything.

>>hi while your on this subject.this corn hatched out of a pair of my motley sunglows this year.is she striped or motley striped?what is the dif? parents are south mountian stock and don't know if they are het for anything.
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it is kind of hard to tell from the picture but it looks like they both may have been het stripe.
Looks like an actual stripe.
But like I said it may just be the phot, that and the fact that I can't see squat with my new glasses...lol
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It may just be my screen, but it doesn't look like the stripe connects to the head, nor does it finish clean at the tail. I'd call it motley, or even motley/stripe, but it doesn't look full stripe to me.
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
J.R.R. Tolkien

the stripe starts from a blotch behind the head and goes perfect to a blotch above the vent. then dashes to tip of tail. does this make it a striped motley?